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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2021 08:21

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
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littlbrowndog · 29/08/2021 22:47

You are what you say. 😖😖😖

PlanDeRaccordement · 29/08/2021 22:55

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown

"trans lives matter" is that cultural appropriation?

Is it like "blue lives matter"?

Yes, yes it is. Not shocked that they’re getting away with it, after they have appropriated the rainbow flag and Pride from LGB, so why not appropriate BLMs identity as well? In a decade, I expect they’ll be counter protesting BLM marches as trans phobic for not being TLM marches.
littlbrowndog · 29/08/2021 22:58

Sandy sums it up

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 23:01

What do you mean, "viewed as"?
If they've stated their gender then that's what their gender is.

They might decide their gender as female. It's clear what their biological sex is though.

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 23:02

littlbrowndog 😢

plodalong12 · 29/08/2021 23:02

@littlbrowndog

You are what you say. 😖😖😖
You are also what they say you are, even if you say you aren’t…
OldCrone · 29/08/2021 23:04

They might decide their gender as female. It's clear what their biological sex is though.

According to genderists, biological sex is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is gender feelings which can only be decided by the individual and can't be observed by anyone else.

This is what self-ID means.

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 23:08

According to genderists, biological sex is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is gender feelings which can only be decided by the individual and can't be observed by anyone else.

That approach isn't very helpful in the real world. Particularly when it comes to safeguarding.

FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 23:14

Today has been a really black day. It really has. The open, bitter homophobia that has vomited out in response to this has been quite honestly terrifying.

I am now incredibly mindful about where I go, what I wear and how I come out to people. I see a rainbow badge or lanyard and it's a red flag to watch myself just in case. I was presumed to be trans a couple of weeks ago. I think I would not correct someone who thought that now, because to say I was a lesbian would feel I was painting a target on myself from a QT+ person. I already feel exposed by the local yobs who just shout the old-fashioned d**e slur.

This is the reality for LGB people today. Don't let anyone pretend otherwise.

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 23:17

It is frightening Floral. This is all so bloody wrong. Flowers

RedToothBrush · 29/08/2021 23:24

In my best Troy McClure voice:

You may remember her from various LD bullshit and scandals such as the Natalie Bird situation and the support for a certain former green who was subsequently removed from the LDs. She has links with autism charities in the Manchester area.

April is part of the Radical Association and the LD clique with the usual suspects from the LDLGBT group.

She's cropped up a few times on MN discussions...

BraveBananaBadge · 29/08/2021 23:24

Have been following this all day with increasing dismay. A response under the LGBA tweet (I think, I've clicked through a few threads) dismisses Alexander Bramhall by saying "he's not gay, he's anti trans".

There you have it. I'm absolutely done with that shit.

AfternoonToffee · 29/08/2021 23:25

It really is chilling.

Enough4me · 29/08/2021 23:36

Hey let's be inclusive and be kind said the LGBT+ group we are a friendly bunch...oh, they didn't...they laughed at a gay man because he thinks same sex attraction is valid. They were homophobic to him.

The LGBT+ is now not related to sexuality and is gender based T ideology only.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 23:39

You may recall I posted that thread from a (bisexual) woman who said LGB Alliance had been really supportive of her when she approached them about detransitioning.

Here's a tweet from her on how the anti- LGB Alliance lot have treated her today since she dared say something positive about LGB Alliance.

Another day on Twitter: I post a heartfelt thread about how I've been insulted and threatened for being a detransitioner but thanking those who've been kind to me, and get replies like “fucking idiot,” “shut the fuck up TERF,” “Suck me,” and, of course, a photo of a guys arse. t.co/0aoO8OUu3h

twitter.com/ImWatson91/status/1432080008630214664?s=19

Right side of history, though, eh?

GromblesofGrimbledon · 29/08/2021 23:39

[quote littlbrowndog]Cripes

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-transwoman-who-helped-remove[/quote]

For fuck sake...

Hmm
NoNotMeNoSiree · 29/08/2021 23:51

@AfternoonToffee

They're so brave and stunning.

They, however, are very lucky that us lot tend not to stoop to their level in terms of doxing etc.

Brave and stunning?

Us lot?

Quaggersx · 29/08/2021 23:58

Brave and stunning?

Us lot?

What do you mean by us lot?

Enough4me · 30/08/2021 00:07

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NoNotMeNoSiree · 30/08/2021 00:23

@Quaggersx

Brave and stunning?

Us lot?

What do you mean by us lot?

Exactly, that's what I asked what meant along with brave and stunning.
Quaggersx · 30/08/2021 01:13

Exactly, that's what I asked what meant along with brave and stunning.

Well you grouped yourself in a category of us. Which sounded odd.

wellbehavedwomen · 30/08/2021 01:21

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

What rights are being denied?

Trans people have, and should have, protection from discrimination and abuse based on trans status. Nobody decent thinks that should change. They are one of the safest demographics in this country; the murder rate, contra to endless assertion, is about half the average. Why people are invested in lying to trans people about this and telling terrifying lies of a world out to kill them, I don't pretend to know. I do agree that casual transphobia is likely to be common, and that in eg employment and housing there will be real challenges. I agree that it's important that trans people have effective advocacy in these areas, and I also believe that the same violent and aggressive men invested in controlling women, and policing sexuality, will be a threat to trans people. To that extent, women, gay people and trans people all do have a common source of risk, and that should be an area for co-operation and shared goals. But we're never offered that. We're not asked to support shelters for trans women - which almost all women I know would. Instead, we're told we have no right to single sex spaces, free of male bodies. We're told lesbians who don't accept 'girl dick' have no excuse unless they've been raped, in which case they should seek therapy to overcome that trauma and open their minds. This is simple homophobia, and it's foul. And yet you see no reason for separate LGB advocacy? Seriously?

Trans people have their own advocacy and support groups, as of course is appropriate. Women, and gay people, have that same right. Your claims were put to The Charity Commission, who found them specious and unfounded. As I suspect you very well know. You are the one trying to strip others of rights - the sex-based rights women and gay people currently have under the Equality Act. You are literally describing the removal of the protection women and gay people have in law as 'progress'. You are asserting male supremacy, and homophobia, and calling it progress, and arguing that those who oppose that loss of rights and protections are hateful... because we do not centre male people who are opposite-sex attracted.

It is not hateful to recognise the impact of biological sex in areas where it matters. Transition can only ever be social; the risks and advantages of original biology do not change substantially - transwomen pose a male, and not a female, risk to women - and it's completely legitimate of women to need and expect a right to single sex provision in areas where that matters. And if you think it is hateful for gay people to want to protect their right to be same sex attracted, then you are asserting homophobia. As the Guardian did, when sending a lesbian on a blind date with a male person without warning her, because that male feels that they have a woman's gender identity, so they felt opposite sex dating didn't need the lesbian's consent. And you see no problem here? None at all?

Nobody should suffer any harm or abuse or discrimination due to trans status; it's rightly against the law. It's also protected law that in some contexts, sex matters. Women and gay people have legal protection in those relevant areas, too. Yet you want those rights stripped from us, and you call any attempt to prevent that hateful.

I don't want anyone to lose rights. That's your position.

wellbehavedwomen · 30/08/2021 01:36

@NoNotMeNoSiree

So anything that doesn't have a T on it is anti T is it?

Oh, come on.
Really?!
Of course it isn't.
Of course someone who is a lesbian can wear a tshirt celebrating being a lesbian.
Of course someone who is gay can wear a tshirt celebrating being gay.
You seriously can't see the difference between your examples and wearing an LGB tshirt which is trans exclusionary at an L G B T event?
(Highlighted T just because people keep conviently pretending it's not there.)
You really can't?
OK then.

Lesbians who explicitly want to exclude anyone male wouldn't be allowed, no. You know this as well as we do. You do. And I am bemused that you want to pretend it's okay.

It's Pride, and gay people have to be open, at least pretend to be, to opposite sex partners, or they are threatened, harassed, and unwelcome at what is meant to be a celebration of same sex attraction and love.

That's homophobia.

And if you knew anything about LGB Alliance, you'd know that there are a fair number of trans members, who are as pissed off as everyone else with the abuse of women and gay people intrinsic to modern trans activism. Plenty of trans people are very aware that sex and gender are different, and there needs to be provision and support for us all. They're being badly let down by the misogynists who claim to speak for them, and instead speak over, and for, them.

There doesn't need to be a fucking war. All that's necessary is for the differences to be acknowledged, and provision made for all. If you aren't asking questions about why so many men are eager cheerleaders for trans activism - often with slurs for trans people buried in their social media when people dig - then I suggest that you have a bit of a think about it. It's almost as if they enjoy seeing women's rights stripped from us, and our ability to talk about our lives and our bodies curtailed, isn't it, and as if they've never had any interest in the rights of women or gay people or ethnic minorities, but are suddenly all over trans activism.

I wonder why that could possibly be?

Aparallaxia · 30/08/2021 01:54

I'd bet my boots the Funky Gibbon person who is a non-binary demiflux girl with a penis and testicles is really, really unhappy with lesbians who don't want to sleep with him, and would be opposed to them publicly self-identifying as non-penis-lovers.