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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

963 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2021 08:21

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt
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FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 17:53

LGB Alliance support Lesbians, Gay men and Bisexual people. When transactivism harms LGB people, they will oppose it, like homophobic parents using transition to cover their embarrassment at a potentially LGB child, or coercion towards lesbians and gay men to accept opposite sex partners.

Don't like those transactivist actions? Don't fucking support them and LGB Alliance won't need to bother standing against them.

PlanDeRaccordement · 29/08/2021 17:53

The LGB Alliance was formed in opposition to trans issues being included in with gay issues wasn't it?

No, it wasn’t. That’s propaganda. The LGB Alliance was formed as a focus group on minority sexualities. T&Q aren’t even sexualities but minority gender related.

It’s like someone forming a black womens alliance and being accused of being a hate group for not including all immigrants on their women’s alliance. Nationality has nothing to do with race and sex, just like trans/queer have nothing to do with sexuality.

They’re separate categories and that is why there are in fact separate trans and queer rights charities...are those hate groups now too because they’re not tacking on LGB? Of course not.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 29/08/2021 17:53

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

I've had a look at them on Twitter as I saw them trending earlier - if it's about LGB, why is literally none of their timeline about anything LGB and all to do with people who are trans?
Marguerite2000 · 29/08/2021 17:54

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Already been investigated and found to be false. I suggest you stop telling these lies, it just makes you look like a ... liar.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/08/2021 17:55

@NoNotMeNoSiree

Because I tell you this I wouldn't.

Neither would I.

'' Wearing clothes that stand out''
It's Pride for LGBT +.
It's hardly' 'just wearing clothes that stand out' ' is it?
It's actively turning up at Pride in a trans exclusive tshirt.
Is it surprising that a crowd of people chant' 'Trans Lives Matter?' ' at them? and police move them on?

So homosexuals need to join the women and shit the fuck up, do they?

When did Pride become exclusively trans?

Pride exists

Trans Pride exists.

Both seem to be exclusively trans these days. Why?

titchy · 29/08/2021 17:55

Just like a lesbian flag on your face if you were a lesbian would be fine too.
You wouldn't be actively showing exclusion for others there, would you.

Well yes, the lesbian with that flag would be showing she excludes men. And there is nothing wrong with have a sexuality that excludes people - it's kind of the definition.

FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 17:56

Kookaburra sits on the 'lectric wire, jumping up and down with his pants on fire...

RedDogsBeg · 29/08/2021 17:57

Of course someone who is a lesbian can wear a tshirt celebrating being a lesbian.

You mean like Anne Ruzlo who was refused service in a pub for wearing a t-shirt with the dictionary definition of lesbian on it?

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 29/08/2021 17:59

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Proof?
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 17:59

Perhaps you would like to read this from the website.

extract
9th May 2021.

(by Dermot Kehoe).

On this day 10 years ago I lost David to acute Pancreatitis. I have been touched today by the number of people who’ve contacted me to say how much he meant to them, how much they miss him and how he is still in their thoughts.

I’d like to use today to draw attention to one of the issues he cared deeply about.

David, who was the first out gay MP from Scotland, was a patron of LGBT Labour and Chair of the All Parliamentary Group on HIV and AIDS. His last overseas trip as an MP was to Uganda (you can see him in the top left of the picture above if you look closely enough!) to support the work of Sexual Minorities Uganda (SMUG). David had been horrified by the murder there of a young Ugandan teacher and gay rights activist David Kato.

He spoke out against what was to become the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act of 2014 which enshrines a punishment of life in prison for “aggravated homosexuality”

This month Uganda passed further criminalisation laws against gay people – despite already being illegal and unconstitutional.

For that reason, I’d like to reproduce David’s speech in Parliament from 2010 on the murderous homophobia faced by lesbians and gays in Uganda:

“If I may borrow a phrase from Harold Macmillan and amend it, the wind of oppression is blowing through the African continent today, an oppression aimed largely at young gay men and women. It has become a much more pressing issue; and although it is not confined to Africa, it is in Africa that that dehumanising and brutal oppression is occurring on this very day.

“We are aware of the notorious private Member’s Bill tabled in Uganda by David Bahati that proposes the death penalty for people who are HIV-positive and engaged in homosexual activity, life in prison for everyone else who engages in homosexual activity, and seven years in prison for people who counsel those who engage in homosexual activity. It is, as I said, a private Member’s Bill, and the Ugandan Government have distanced themselves from it. None the less, even without the Bill, it will be illegal to be gay in Uganda, and punishable by 14 years in prison. The President of Uganda has said that homosexuality is “alien”. In the last year for which figures are available, the United Kingdom Government gave £71 million in aid to Uganda.

“It is not only on the ground of sexuality that countries oppress rights. As we heard from the right hon. Member for Lagan Valley (Mr Donaldson), some countries oppress people on the ground of religion, which may be rooted in differences of creed or race. If our international aid budget is rooted in our humanity, it does not come value-free, and it does not come free from a sense that the humanity of everyone must be respected.

“I have not even mentioned the utterly disastrous effect these policies in Africa are having on the rise in HIV and AIDS. If someone who thinks they might have HIV is told that to be homosexual is to be worse than a pig or a dog and is punishable by 14 years in prison, why would they come forward? What possible reason would they have to seek medical help and the method to prevent the spread of HIV? We are funding anti-HIV and AIDS programmes in countries with policies that do nothing to stop HIV and AIDS, and instead contribute to their spread.

“This is a big job for the Government. I do not pretend it is the most important thing on the plate of incoming Ministers, but it is important to millions across Africa whose fundamental human right to be gay or lesbian is being brutally oppressed by regimes. I look to the Government to give a lead by setting out what positive action we can take when our denunciations are brushed aside and doing something about this appalling miscarriage of human rights.”

lgballiance.org.uk/2021/05/10/david-cairns-uganda/

AlfonsoTheMango · 29/08/2021 18:00

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Where is your evidence for that, please? Don't tell me to educate myself as the burden of proof lies on the person making the assertion.
RedDogsBeg · 29/08/2021 18:01

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Do provide evidence for this otherwise it looks dangerously close to libel.

LGBA was set up to support and advocate for LGB people and to ensure that their legally enshrined right to same sex attraction or both sex attraction is upheld and safeguarded.

How is doing that attacking or stripping trans people of their rights?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/08/2021 18:03

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

No. It really wasn't.

You can say it as often and as loudly as you like.

But you will NEVER be able to show an iota of evidence to support your lie.

Because that is what that statement is - a lie.

One you have told a few times here.

One you have never shown any evidence to support.

One MNHQ and many posters allow you to repeat.

Because we don't silence people. We debate and discuss and show how they lie!

Prove me wrong. Link to any evidence to support what you have repeatedly typed.

OvaHere · 29/08/2021 18:04

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Stonewall actively campaigned to have the protected characteristic of sex removed from the Equality Act. That's the very definition of trying to remove rights.

Had they succeeded I have no doubt they would have moved onto the protected characteristic of sexual orientation because both those characteristics are considered transphobic and stand in the way of everything being about gender and self identity.

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that this egregious land grab by Stonewall and others has resulted in a grass roots resurgence of both women's and LGB groups.

OldCrone · 29/08/2021 18:04

Here you are @NoNotMeNoSiree.

lgballiance.org.uk/about/

This seems to be all about LGB rights.

I can see the parts you might object to as a genderist, though. They don't agree with those who want to trans away the gay:

We work to protect children from harmful, unscientific ideologies that may lead them to believe either their personality or their body is in need of changing. Any child growing up to be lesbian, gay or bisexual has the right to be happy and confident about their sexuality and who they are.

But the focus here is on protecting children who might grow up to be lesbian, gay or bisexual, it's not an attack on trans people.

I suppose you might also not like this:

We stand with lesbians in rejecting pressure to accept as sexual partners, or admit into lesbian spaces, males who define themselves as women. We stand with gay men in rejecting pressure to accept as sexual partners, or admit into gay men’s spaces, females who define themselves as men.

But again, the focus is on the right of lesbians and gay men to be same-sex attracted. It's not an attack on trans people.

AnnieSnap · 29/08/2021 18:04

I wonder what Owen Jones makes of seeing a gay man bullied at pride? He is one of those who screams “transphobic” at anyone who wants to debate issues like elite women’s sport, women’s spaces etc.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 18:05

I've had a look at them on Twitter as I saw them trending earlier - if it's about LGB, why is literally none of their timeline about anything LGB and all to do with people who are trans?

Then you must have seen this retweeted thread on their timeline?

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Seeing the LGB Alliance slandered as a “hate group” is particularly baffling to me because they supported me when nobody else would.

When I first started talking about my detransition, I was met with a deluge of insults and threats. I was piled on and told to disappear.

1/

When I spoke of how my same-sex attraction contributed to my transition, I was called a liar.

The LGB Alliance invited me to their event in Glasgow and embraced me, telling me I had nothing to be ashamed of.

That I didn't deserve to be insulted, threatened or silenced.

2/

The LGBA knew that inviting a detransitioner to their event would be used against them as “proof” they're “transphobic” - despite the fact that while I was at their event, I met and befriended some wonderful and equally supportive trans women.

I felt so safe at their event.

3/

At a time when I was being bullied into believing that my very existence as a detrans woman was “hateful,” the LGB Alliance took me in and told me, as a detrans woman and a bisexual, I had the same right as everybody else to have a voice.

They showed love, not hate.

4/

So, thank you, @ALLIANCELGB

You were there for me when I needed someone most and I'll forever be thankful for the love and kindness you showed me and the other dysphoric people at your event.

5/5

Source: twitter.com/ImWatson91/status/1431969911430172675?s=19

FloralBunting · 29/08/2021 18:05

How is doing that attacking or stripping trans people of their rights?

It looks suspiciously like an admission that legally protected same-sex attraction is an attack on 'trans rights' which would be a harmful suggestion that I'm sure a lot of trans people would find a problem, too.

Unless the poster is outright admitting that their version of 'trans rights' is diametrically opposed to women's and LGB rights, which I think a lot of us had already twigged, hence, here we are.

HeddaAga · 29/08/2021 18:05

*Stonewall actively campaigned to have the protected characteristic of sex removed from the Equality Act. That's the very definition of trying to remove rights.
*
This.

AfternoonToffee · 29/08/2021 18:06

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

No it wasn't. Just stop with the shit. You are being completely hateful now. You are the ones spreading hate, no one else.
Helleofabore · 29/08/2021 18:07

I think we will have to continue to wait, we have still had no evidence from pages back.

Just empty assertions that never get answered.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 29/08/2021 18:07

@AnnieSnap

I wonder what Owen Jones makes of seeing a gay man bullied at pride? He is one of those who screams “transphobic” at anyone who wants to debate issues like elite women’s sport, women’s spaces etc.
He expressed approval of it.

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1431924152215252992?s=19

OvaHere · 29/08/2021 18:07

@AnnieSnap

I wonder what Owen Jones makes of seeing a gay man bullied at pride? He is one of those who screams “transphobic” at anyone who wants to debate issues like elite women’s sport, women’s spaces etc.
Unsurprisingly he thinks it great thing to have happened.
yourhairiswinterfire · 29/08/2021 18:08

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

Unfortunately for the authoritarian bullying mob, the Charity Commission isn't Twitter, and saw right through these types of bullshit claims, so...stay mad, homophobes 🤷

HeddaAga · 29/08/2021 18:08

Still waiting for that definition of lesbian...

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