Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

At an event to celebrate L, G, B and T you mean.

So were people who were wearing tshirts supporting trans-only groups (which are not for LGB people) similarly harassed by LGB people?

Someone will definitely get hurt Floral and I fear it will happen sooner rather than later and then there will be a whole raft of hand wringing, excuses and distancing, however, the receipts are there in plain sight for ever.

At an event to celebrate L, G, B and T you mean.

So anything that doesn't have a T on it is anti-T, is it?

A lesbian with a t-shirt celebrating being lesbian would be hateful, also?
A gay man with a t-shirt celebrating being gay would be hateful, also?
A bisexual of either sex with a t-shirt celebrating being bisexual would be hateful, also?

To quote an old campaign from Stonewall UK,

Some People Are Gay, Get Over It

@Imnobody4

Maybe it will make more gay men wake up and take a stand. Pride is now just another trans celebration.

What exactly will these gay men wake up to? Being more feminine? PRIDE is a marketing tool. Anyone labeling themselves with it becomes objectified. This goes with all riots and protests, they are campaigns to recruit focused people and brainwash them. Think about that...

Pride was set up by lesbian and gay people. The B and later T were bolted on later.

He had absolutely every right to wear that t shirt and not be hassled.

What exactly will these gay men wake up to? Being more feminine?

The sustained attack on their safety and their protected characteristic. What on earth has being more feminine got to do with it?

*This reminds me of the classic misogynistic line that "she was asking for it, going out dressed like that".

You may not realise this, but this is a feminism forum. We don't stand for people claiming that they can't help themselves when they see other people's clothing.*

Yes. What is it with people nowadays not being able to understand or recognise when they're being the aggressors? You do not need or have to 'bully' a gay man away from a Pride event because he's wearing a t-shirt you don't like (nb one that expresses solidarity with same sex attracted people). Straight 'queer' people driving away homosexual men from public events, and calling in police to assist, are no different from predecessors who were happy to see gay men criminalised for being same sex attracted.

So were people who were wearing tshirts supporting trans-only groups (which are not for LGB people) similarly harassed by LGB people?

What about those carrying Trans signs and slogans? They were only supporting and centring Trans but of course that's all fine and dandy, Trans are allowed to be exclusive but demand inclusion from everyone and everything else.

So anything that doesn't have a T on is anti-T, is it?
That does seem to be the gist of that poster's reasoning. It's as if they're the kid at school who thinks they have to be invited to every party, and anyone who doesn't invite them is a 'hater'.

At an event to celebrate L, G, B and T you mean.

So at future Pride events, should those who have just the trans colours painted on their faces, those who hold 'trans rights now' banners, or those that wave only the trans flag be bullied by a mob, have their flags and banners stolen and be harassed out of Pride?

For excluding the rest of the rainbow and centring only one letter of the alphabet?

What is it with people nowadays not being able to understand or recognise when they're being the aggressors? You do not need or have to 'bully' a gay man away from a Pride event because he's wearing a t-shirt you don't like (nb one that expresses solidarity with same sex attracted people).

The 'most oppressed' are very good at bullying and intimidation, tolerance, acceptance and kindness don't seem to feature despite being spouted at every available opportunity.

Straight 'queer' people driving away homosexual men from public events, and calling in police to assist, are no different from predecessors who were happy to see gay men criminalised for being same sex attracted.

It's nasty homophobia, same as it ever was. Such progress.

So anything that doesn't have a T on it is anti T is it?

Oh, come on.
Really?!
Of course it isn't.
Of course someone who is a lesbian can wear a tshirt celebrating being a lesbian.
Of course someone who is gay can wear a tshirt celebrating being gay.
You seriously can't see the difference between your examples and wearing an LGB tshirt which is trans exclusionary at an L G B T event?
(Highlighted T just because people keep conviently pretending it's not there.)
You really can't?
OK then.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

So anything that doesn't have a T on it is anti T is it?

Oh, come on.
Really?!
Of course it isn't.
Of course someone who is a lesbian can wear a tshirt celebrating being a lesbian.
Of course someone who is gay can wear a tshirt celebrating being gay.
You seriously can't see the difference between your examples and wearing an LGB tshirt which is trans exclusionary at an L G B T event?
(Highlighted T just because people keep conviently pretending it's not there.)
You really can't?
OK then.

What is the difference? Honestly, please explain, because you know there are trans activists who would be livid about lesbians wearing a 'I'm attracted to females' t-shirt, right? It's wrong think isn't it?

It's Pride. When was it privatised and sold off to Stonewall?

Here's a great thread analysing the situation from a legally qualified gay man on twitter.

thread

🧵1/ Let us be clear. If you're condoning what happened at Manchester Pride this is what you're endorsing. Alexander had his hat stolen from his head. That's the crime of robbery. He was hounded by a mob, that's various public order offences.

2/ He was denied the right to participate in gay political activity because he supports a registered Charity the Commission responsible said categorically is not a "hate group". So you're supporting breaching his human rights to freedom of thought and expression.

3/ Because he's a gay man going to gay pride you're also targeting a person on the basis of their same sex attraction which is a protected characteristic by s.12 of the Equality Act 2010.

4/ Because you're targeting this gay man because he believes something he's entitled to (because democracies don't have state mandated beliefs) you're also harassing him for the s.9 protected characteristic of belief.

5/ More generally, you're now part of a mob. It's an online mob and it's doing digital queer bashing. You've likely been radicalised by "no debate" so now you simply can't function happily with democratic norms.

6/ What you're supporting is something that has (rightly) utterly horrified people outside the gender debate. You're supporting a brave man just trying to exercise freedom of speech being terrified by a mob. This is how tyrannies start.

7/ They start with people like you sweeping serious crimes and breaches of human rights aside "for the greater good". People are watching this and we've had enough of this petty dictatorship.

8/ #HatsAgainstHate - Alexander's hat was stolen - show your support for @ALLIANCELGB, use this appalling event to strengthen the only charity that actually supports same sex attracted people.

From: twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1431955263632941065?s=19

@yourhairiswinterfire

At an event to celebrate L, G, B and T you mean.

So at future Pride events, should those who have just the trans colours painted on their faces, those who hold 'trans rights now' banners, or those that wave only the trans flag be bullied by a mob, have their flags and banners stolen and be harassed out of Pride?

For excluding the rest of the rainbow and centring only one letter of the alphabet?

That's not comparable though is it? LGBT is for just that, LGBT+ Trans flags on your face would be celebrating you as a trans person, acceptance etc. Just like a lesbian flag on your face if you were a lesbian would be fine too. You wouldn't be actively showing exclusion for others there, would you. Not the same at all.

@NoNotMeNoSiree

So anything that doesn't have a T on it is anti T is it?

Oh, come on.
Really?!
Of course it isn't.
Of course someone who is a lesbian can wear a tshirt celebrating being a lesbian.
Of course someone who is gay can wear a tshirt celebrating being gay.
You seriously can't see the difference between your examples and wearing an LGB tshirt which is trans exclusionary at an L G B T event?
(Highlighted T just because people keep conviently pretending it's not there.)
You really can't?
OK then.

No, I can't see the difference? Can you explain a bit more?

You seem to be saying that it's OK to wear a t shirt celebrating being lesbian or gay, and that is not 'trans exclusionary', but someone who wears a t shirt celebrating the whole of the LGB becomes 'trans exclusionary'.

So you can celebrate one letter out of LGB on its own, but if you include all 3 it suddenly becomes 'trans exclusionary'. Why?

Yes, do keep highlighting T, because obviously a charity focused on LGB is very, very wrong for not doing so, and that is the sum fucking total of their crimes against rainbow bullshit.

Honestly, the fucking audacity.

Again, for the peanut gallery, the problem here is that LGB Alliance is for LGB people and their issues, not T people and their issues. That's why these odious creeps are supporting the hounding of a gay man from a Pride parade. They are crystal clear about that. LGB people are not permitted to have their own groups.

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Just like a lesbian flag on your face if you were a lesbian would be fine too.

What is the definition of Lesbian NoNotMeNoSiree?

You are not allowed to say anything that defines what a lesbian is either, so that's pure bullshit. Lesbians who have done so have been hounded in a similar manner.

Quick query. Is a woman asking for it [it being violent threats, robbery, intimidation] if she wears a "lesbian not queer " t-shirt to a Pride event?

wildwomynworkshop.com/store/t-shirts/lesbian-not-queer-feminist-t-shirt-limited-edition/

Or is it just the LGB Alliance t-shirts that invite mob violence?

You wouldn't be actively showing exclusion for others there, would you.

Well, yes, you would by your 'logic'.

If supporting LGB makes you trans exclusionary, then supporting T makes you LGB exclusionary.

@HeddaAga

Just like a lesbian flag on your face if you were a lesbian would be fine too.

What is the definition of Lesbian NoNotMeNoSiree?

I've seen people saying that the lesbian flag is aggressive and violent. Even the one without the labrys.

@BilindaB

LGB Alliance was set-up NOT to support LGB people, but to attack trans people, help strip them of rights and to thwart any progress they might make.

And I expect many people here know that, and support those aims.

Evidence?

Why did the charity commission give them charitable status if those were their stated aims.