Children as young as 4 allowed to choose gender identity

[Plastic01]

Surprise surprise, Scotland again.

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My 4 year old son says he's a girl. He also says he's Elsa, a cat, a hedgehog, a Rainbow Ranger, Indominous Rex, and our neighbour's golden Labrador. Perhaps when he starts school I should request a kennel for him.

Ducking hell 🤬

How can they choose something that’s so nebulous and at such a young age? They don’t understand anything about it. My DS wants to be a mummy when he grows up - because he likes to copy me and is fascinated by the whole ‘you grew in my tummy’ thing. He also wants to fly.

How will we explain ‘gender’ to a 4 yr old because from what I can see it’s all about the clothes and toy preferences 🙄 That’s giving children the idea that if they don’t conform to stereotypes they must be ‘trans’.

My children are told that they can wear, do, play with whatever they like irrespective of their sex. Why on Earth would anyone want to promote regressive stereotypes and an incoherent ideology to children?

I think the best way to deal with this latest utter nonsense from the SNP administration is to wholeheartedly embrace it.
All Scots should take their 4 year olds to school and sternly insist to the teachers that they identify as dinosaurs, unicorns, dogs, whatever, and then pick the most ridiculous and unpronounceable pronouns to be used at all times. Let’s show this idiocy up for what it is.

The comments though...

I read that one of the Mitford girls believed she was a donkey for much of her childhood. All perfect normal. She eventually grew out of it.

At 4 they are still learning how to apply pronouns. It just makes language meaningless. If a girl/women can be referred to as he/him and a man she/her then which do you use? And how do they keep safe if they cannot name what they see?

As for 'no Scottish Law to say men can't use girls toilets' that is standard TRA mantra yet on what bases are single sex toilets provided in the first place? Are they saying all single sex spaces are actually mixed sex? ANY boy can go into the girls changing rooms?

As for 'no Scottish Law to say men can't use girls toilets' that is standard TRA mantra yet on what bases are single sex toilets provided in the first place? Are they saying all single sex spaces are actually mixed sex? ANY boy can go into the girls changing rooms?

I thought there were laws around toilets provision in schools?

My DS wanted to be a potato when he was 4 (he actually asked us to call him Spud for over a year).

The whole 'gender neutral uniform' is disturbing as well and will result in girls losing even more of their female identity.

@Plastic01

The whole 'gender neutral uniform' is disturbing as well and will result in girls losing even more of their female identity.

Eh?

The Greens are going to love this. Which is probably more than half the point.

I’m fine with gender neutral uniform. All small primary kids should be wear a polo shirt and track suit trousers to school in my opinion. The idea children of different sexes must adopt different clothes and life styles and rigid gender norms is one of the things I rail against.

@Plastic01

The whole 'gender neutral uniform' is disturbing as well and will result in girls losing even more of their female identity.

I don't see how the uniform change is a problem. Why should their female identity be linked in any way to what they wear?

However, letting 4 year olds choose their gender, and actively concealing those choices from parents, is bloody awful

Oh yes let's pathologise perfectly normal healthy chikd behaviour. Kids don't need labels they need to be left alone. They need to be able to play with and wear what they like without parents panicking their penos may fall of because their son picked up a barbie

Why are adults doing this to children. Why so obsessed with the sexuality and identities of children. Labelling them at 4 will merely cement their thoughts and behaviours. It immediately traps them into the decision. They just need leaving alone

@Plastic01

The whole 'gender neutral uniform' is disturbing as well and will result in girls losing even more of their female identity.

Female identity is about your body, not what clothes that body wears...

Gender neutral though is usually default male. So girls will lose the option of being able to wear skirts which sone may well prefer. Because the idea never seems to he to let the boys wear the skirts. Always to try and squeeze girls at various stages of puberty into clothes that simply aren't designed to accommodate changing bodies.

Children as young as 4 being taught there's no need for sex segregation at times when they are vulnerable/in stages of undress. What could possibly go wrong..🤔

@MaryGubbins

I’m fine with gender neutral uniform. All small primary kids should be wear a polo shirt and track suit trousers to school in my opinion. The idea children of different sexes must adopt different clothes and life styles and rigid gender norms is one of the things I rail against.

Why shouldn't girls wear a skirt, skort or dress?

Gender neutral uniform rules, gender neutral toy rules, all good. There's no sex based reason for different clothes or toys.

Seems like for some actual institutions have just switched from "you're a boy, you're not allowed to like pink" straight into "you like pink so you're a girl". One typical 4 yr old misconception to the other. What hope for the actual 4 yr olds?

Well yes, I guess gender neutral uniform could include skirts and skirts. I personally think school uniform should be cheap, practical and simple so if I was designing something for 4-7 year olds I’d choose one simple outfit like a polo and trackies.

I just think it's frightening that a TRA is in charge of education in Scotland. Totally captured. I hope Scottish parents rise up the way American parents have been in the USA. Not that it made any difference in Loudon County. Despite hundreds of parents objecting to the trans policies, the spiteful board still voted to enforce them. 😡 I dread to think how much further Scotland will fall if they get independence. ☹️

When my daughter was little she had a bit of a tummy and trousers and trackies didn't fit her well: she felt most comfortable in dresses and tunics which didn't sit round her middle. She also liked dresses. (now she doesn't have a single one).

This guidance document of 70 pages focusing on transgender children in schools

Where is the 70 page guidance document on children mostly girls in Scottish schools being sexually assaulted , sent dick pics groped harassed

Did Shirley Anne Somerville forget “everyone’s invited “

Why are some children more important than others.

Why is sexual abuse in schools not being tackled and guidance sent to schools

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-schools-sexual-abuse-allegations-24405880

So a child can use any toilet? It doesn’t need to correspond to the ‘gender assigned at birth’? No one assigns a gender at birth - nor does anyone assign a sex at birth. Sex is observed. In some cases a baby might have ambiguous genitalia and have a DSD - hopefully these days these children are treated with respect and sensitivity and aren’t ‘assigned’ a sex until further down the line when they can understand their bodies and their particular situation.

It is so bloody dangerous to keep conflating sex and gender. I think it’s deliberately done to make everyone just get so exasperated they ignore it all. And that’s why guidance like this slips through.

I hate all the ‘oh I identified as an attack helicopter’ though because it minimises the pain that some of these children are going through. Gender dysphoria is distressing. But that doesn’t mean we wholesale dump the notion that there are two sexes and that we don’t explore and support children who may be going through all sorts of shit by immediately affirming their ‘identities’. I will never ‘ celebrate’ a young woman having top surgery. I feel sad at all the TikToks where young women are telling each other how to ‘pass’ as a man by manspreading and frowning and taking up more space. Take up more space as a woman FGS - don’t go running for the perceived ‘shelter’ of being a transman when all you might need is a bit of time to work your way through your teens and early 20s (which can be a bloody bumpy ride but that’s life)

Gender is a crock of shit that seeks to constrict, and restrict human beings. How we are here, I don’t know. And gender neutral uniforms do not strip women of their femininity. It’s just bloody clothes.

I am embarrassed to be living in Scotland. But more than that I am actually genuinely fearful of where this is leading some of our ‘most vulnerable’ (to coin a phrase) young people.

My daughter at that age spent months insisting she would be a bird when she grew up.

My son spent a year at a similar age with pink as his favourite colour and absolutely adoring all things My Little Pony. He even said once, 'I wish I was a girl'. I just gently asked him why and he said because girls like pink and My Little Pony. I told him that boys can like it too and colours are for everyone - he was happy with that and never mentioned it again! I dread to think how a school would've responded.