Children as young as 4 allowed to choose gender identity

[Plastic01]

Surprise surprise, Scotland again.

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Gender neutral shouldn't mean boys things or primary colours. It should mean recognising colours are just colours. Pink is fine for boys. Blue is fine for girls as well as pink if they want it. Boys can play dressup with the fairy costume or the iron man outfit.

@Plastic01

The whole 'gender neutral uniform' is disturbing as well and will result in girls losing even more of their female identity.

I agree. Plenty of girls still want to be "girls" and wearing skirts to school is ok. If they lose the option to, that's not fair either.

I knew a boy who wanted to be a tram. He was 10. He became a C of E priest.

Why are some children more important than others

Treated as nore important in one sense, but seemingly not entitled entitled the same level of safeguarding on the other.

It should not be acceptable to place these trans children at such great risk. They should have the same level.of safguarding applied to them

I completely agree that gender neutral uniform for young kids is comfortable and practical but if an older girl wants to wear skirts surely she should be allowed to do so?

Oh someone on Twitter thinking same thing

Yes scully that as well

Children keeping secrets

That always ends well

Gender neutral uniform is a good idea. It allows girls to wear clothes most appropriate for their activities.
It also might mean that small children don't get labelled as trans because they want to wear trousers or a skirt.

@Plastic01

I completely agree that gender neutral uniform for young kids is comfortable and practical but if an older girl wants to wear skirts surely she should be allowed to do so?

Gender neutral doesn’t mean no skirts, it means the clothes aren’t assigned to a certain sex. So skirts or trousers or shorts for anyone.

Completely daft.

Like others our girls went through phases. One wanted to be a dog, slept in a dog bed (she had a proper bed).

Four is much too young, even some adults who've gone through gender issues find it was a mistake.

It also might mean that small children don't get labelled as trans because they want to wear trousers or a skirt

Then the adults need to stop applying lables to the clothes rather than placing children in clothes that don't fit them. I hate skirts but there's no denying that fir some girls they will be an easier and nore comfortable option. They should not have that option removed because parents need to assign labels to every little thing a child does

Knaves or Fools?

Or possibly both?

@Babdoc

I think the best way to deal with this latest utter nonsense from the SNP administration is to wholeheartedly embrace it. All Scots should take their 4 year olds to school and sternly insist to the teachers that they identify as dinosaurs, unicorns, dogs, whatever, and then pick the most ridiculous and unpronounceable pronouns to be used at all times. Let’s show this idiocy up for what it is.

This.

Baby Alistair is now a cat called "Mogs", pronouns "puss puss and puss'". Puss puss will need basket provision and fresh fish for lunch. Bye Mogs!

My DS at four was a big fan of anything pink and sparkly. He wanted all his clothes to be pink and that was fine by me.
I also remember him asking me when he was going to grow boobs, aged around three.
Now, that'd be taken as evidence that he knew he was going to grow into a woman and he'd be on puberty blockers now, stunting his growth and doing god-knows-what to his bones and brain, and all to prepare him for surgery and to become a life long medical patient.
And for what? Because as a young child, he liked sparkly things and was still learning about how bodies worked?
This stuff is presented as progressive and gender non-conforming. It's nothing of the sort. It's gender stereotypes on steroids.

This stuff is presented as progressive and gender non-conforming. It's nothing of the sort. It's gender stereotypes on steroids

Also tramples all over most other protected characteristics.

Disabled children may have to share their only accessible toilet with children with.identity issues.

They may lose the right to care being provided by someone of the same sex.

Those who observe religious practices may lose their single sex prayer spaces

The gaslighting will be distressing for all children however those with LDs may well be extra distressed. Wheres their right to "inclusive education" ?

It doesn't even benefit the children. Think a female child will be safe changing In front of all the boys? And of course boys should have their privacy too .

Parents should ask fir the impact assessment I can place money on their not being one. There never is

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And this is what Shirley Anne Somerville was busy with

@MaryGubbins

I’m fine with gender neutral uniform. All small primary kids should be wear a polo shirt and track suit trousers to school in my opinion. The idea children of different sexes must adopt different clothes and life styles and rigid gender norms is one of the things I rail against.

God, I find this position tiresome as well. Nobody rails against boys wearing trousers but girls wearing skirts and presenting in a feminine way must be some oppressive regime

Women and girls Scotland are onto it

leonpride

*MaryGubbins
I’m fine with gender neutral uniform. All small primary kids should be wear a polo shirt and track suit trousers to school in my opinion. The idea children of different sexes must adopt different clothes and life styles and rigid gender norms is one of the things I rail against.

God, I find this position tiresome as well. Nobody rails against boys wearing trousers but girls wearing skirts and presenting in a feminine way must be some oppressive regime*

when did I say I was against girls wearing skirts?

In all this gender mess that would at least be a novel position I suppose,

Anyway derailment re gender neutral uniform over. This new guidance is clearly nuts. I’m interested in ways we can stand against it. I may write to my msp.

@MaryGubbins

leonpride

*MaryGubbins
I’m fine with gender neutral uniform. All small primary kids should be wear a polo shirt and track suit trousers to school in my opinion. The idea children of different sexes must adopt different clothes and life styles and rigid gender norms is one of the things I rail against.

God, I find this position tiresome as well. Nobody rails against boys wearing trousers but girls wearing skirts and presenting in a feminine way must be some oppressive regime*

when did I say I was against girls wearing skirts?

In all this gender mess that would at least be a novel position I suppose,

Anyway derailment re gender neutral uniform over. This new guidance is clearly nuts. I’m interested in ways we can stand against it. I may write to my msp.

You mentioned girls and boys "must" have different clothes

Nobody said must. In schools, it's not by force to wear a skirt.

If your campaigning for 'gender neutrality' (ie everyone wears trousers, a traditionally male garment) that is not choice

As long as wearing a skirt is a choice there's nothing to tail against. Not everything needs to be 'neutral'

Oh they need to just piss off on the this

The whole 'gender neutral uniform' is disturbing as well and will result in girls losing even more of their female identity.

Skirts aren't what make you a girl. And I doubt many girls would like their identity to be represented by a boring school uniform skirt. Trousers are practical - that's partly why women spent so long wanting to be allowed to wear them. No, they're sometimes not particularly flattering on some people, but school uniform isn't flattering on many people, including some boys. Perhaps a wider variety of styles of trousers would be a better option.

Don't teachers have enough to do without having to be the gender stereotype police as well? There will be so many kids claiming to be "special" that it will be hard to keep up. And how do teachers tell if the kids are "genuine" or just play acting for attention? I already wonder what sort of biology teachers are allowed to teach without being called out as transphobic...

And how do teachers tell if the kids are "genuine" or just play acting for attention?

We live in a society in this country that just does not value parenthood. Being a stay at home mum/ dad is something to sanction the recipiants of UC for , something used to shame people with. Instead of recognising the value of what being a parent is and the contribution to society that its making.

Of course when kids don't see much of their parents due to them.having to work, when kids are shuffled around between separated parents and grandparents parents etc just so everyone can be where they need to be and keep a roof over their heads , of course suddenly being being centre of attention, having people adapt to accommodate you as opposed to you having to go along with whatever they need from you, would appeal to many of the children. It's like every normal reaction or stage of development is forgotten about when it comes to this stuff.