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I think I’m going mad….

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Iootraw1 · 07/08/2021 21:48

I’ve absolutely had enough of my family bringing up ‘mum’s views’ (which I’ve learnt to keep completely private from them due to previously accusations of bigotry’), and then when I say a single thing in response,, accusing me of being ‘obsessed’ with it and not keeping it to myself!

I feel like I’m going mad. Husband saying he doesn’t know why I’m so obsessed with trans matters and I should keep to myself - I do! I don’t want to share with them because they don’t agree and don’t want to hear it.
Ever since the first time I tried to bring up and got shot down my him and kids I decided I would never mention again and wait for them one day to find out for themselves and be peaked.

But Just once again tonight in response to their accusations (they brought up subject not me) I tried to explain briefly why it opposes women’s rights and homosexual rights and got quickly turned upon. I’ve bought Trans by Helen Joyce now and will just tell them to read it next time (although will no doubt get condemned for buying a ‘transphobic’ book and they will refuse to read it) I feel really down, I can’t even have my own personal opinions and thoughts now without my very own family trying to eek out of me what ‘I really think’ and nose at what I’m looking at over my shoulder (I follow Glinner and Posie and Mars). I’ve bought headphones so they don’t hear it and never share any of it. I have to clear my history in case they search it.

It’s like some weird dystopia we’ve all been forced to enter. I even mentioned the olympics tonight in my defence and they still they said that I imagine all of this and it’s not really happening.

What will it take for they and the general public to wake up and at least listen to women’s concerns? I feel so upset tonight. 😩

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MummBraTheEverLeaking · 08/08/2021 10:10

Yep, it's the respect thing. My mum's political opinions differ from mine and that's fine. We don't bring it up, she can make her own mind up, and as she is my mother I have some fucking respect for her.

Even as a teenager, I wouldn't have dared call her uninformed, wrong, a bigot for having a difference of opinion to me. I wouldn't have gone into her private life to find stuff to attack her with!

Don't rise to it. Don't even give them the chance OP. Withering look, "I thought WE agreed not to discuss this" and leave the room.

If they persist I'd withdraw from every service they expect of you. They can cook their own dinner, do their own washing, no lifts anywhere etc. Don't pay their phone bills (if you do) Tell them they can disagree with you all they want but if they think they can gang up on you and talk to you like that you have more self respect than to do stuff they're old enough to do themselves. You aren't there to wipe their bums while they treat you like crap.

Your husband is also a dick for a) allowing them to talk to you like this and b) joining in

R0wantrees · 08/08/2021 10:23

It’s just this one topic it seems. And having an 18 and 15 year old it seems this is the way they all think now. They don’t listen to other people’s views, can’t disagree with anyone else without being derisive. Young people seem to think they have to all agree on everything all they can’t like someone at all, or have to ‘correct’ their thinking.

It is a serious situation, one that requires adults to help nurture critical thinking, resilience and emotional regulation better in children and young people.

Atlantic
'THE CODDLING OF THE AMERICAN MIND
In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.'

By Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt
SEPTEMBER 2015 ISSUE

(extract)
"The press has typically described these developments as a resurgence of political correctness. That’s partly right, although there are important differences between what’s happening now and what happened in the 1980s and ’90s. That movement sought to restrict speech (specifically hate speech aimed at marginalized groups), but it also challenged the literary, philosophical, and historical canon, seeking to widen it by including more-diverse perspectives. The current movement is largely about emotional well-being. More than the last, it presumes an extraordinary fragility of the collegiate psyche, and therefore elevates the goal of protecting students from psychological harm. The ultimate aim, it seems, is to turn campuses into “safe spaces” where young adults are shielded from words and ideas that make some uncomfortable. And more than the last, this movement seeks to punish anyone who interferes with that aim, even accidentally. You might call this impulse vindictive protectiveness. It is creating a culture in which everyone must think twice before speaking up, lest they face charges of insensitivity, aggression, or worse. (continues)

There’s a saying common in education circles: Don’t teach students what to think; teach them how to think. The idea goes back at least as far as Socrates. Today, what we call the Socratic method is a way of teaching that fosters critical thinking, in part by encouraging students to question their own unexamined beliefs, as well as the received wisdom of those around them. Such questioning sometimes leads to discomfort, and even to anger, on the way to understanding.

But vindictive protectiveness teaches students to think in a very different way. It prepares them poorly for professional life, which often demands intellectual engagement with people and ideas one might find uncongenial or wrong. The harm may be more immediate, too. A campus culture devoted to policing speech and punishing speakers is likely to engender patterns of thought that are surprisingly similar to those long identified by cognitive behavioral therapists as causes of depression and anxiety. The new protectiveness may be teaching students to think pathologically."
(continues)
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

BluebirdsSong · 08/08/2021 10:29

That's a lot of words for "here's why people should be allowed to use racial slurs".

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2021 10:35

@BluebirdsSong

That's a lot of words for "here's why people should be allowed to use racial slurs".
And that's a teenage response to an adult conversation
MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2021 10:37

Apologies to teenagers everywhere for my last comment. Most I know are more than capable of reading R0wantree's post and unpicking the issues without making allegations of condoning racism.

BluebirdsSong · 08/08/2021 10:38

Sorry, let me correct myself.

"Here's why people should be free to enthusiastically discuss racial IQs"

And I mean, what's the difference? You want to encourage discussion of "controversial" subjects even if they are harmful, right?

R0wantrees · 08/08/2021 10:38

One which rather illustrates some of the many points made in the long-read article.

FloralBunting · 08/08/2021 10:39

Always the segue into another issue like racism. Because deep down, they know their argument doesn't stand on it's own merits.

R0wantrees · 08/08/2021 10:40

Apologies for cross-posting.

Jorrris · 08/08/2021 10:42

And I mean, what's the difference? You want to encourage discussion of "controversial" subjects even if they are harmful, right?

Yes of course people should be free to discuss whatever they want.

BluebirdsSong · 08/08/2021 10:42

@FloralBunting

Always the segue into another issue like racism. Because deep down, they know their argument doesn't stand on it's own merits.
Racism is bigotry against minorities, and transphobia is bigotry against minorities. Transphobia is socially shunned for the same reasons racism was.
FloralBunting · 08/08/2021 10:44

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of you proving my point.

Jorrris · 08/08/2021 10:44

Good post R0wantrees.

Jorrris · 08/08/2021 10:44

@FloralBunting

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of you proving my point.
😂
BluebirdsSong · 08/08/2021 10:47

The argument against anti-trans prejudice and discrimination does stand on its own merits, the problem is that you don't consider discrimination to be wrong when it's against trans people.

BluebirdsSong · 08/08/2021 10:48

When people compare anti-trans discrimination to other forms of discrimination, it's always just an attempt to illustrate why discrimination is wrong.

But instead, you always just double down.

ErrolTheDragon · 08/08/2021 10:49

Misogyny - and in many countries racism - is bigotry and discrimination against majorities.

FloralBunting · 08/08/2021 10:50

Are you the poster defending homophobia on another thread? Always good to see which prejudices are being weaponized and how. You're doing a sterling job on FWR this morning.

Helleofabore · 08/08/2021 10:51

Racism is bigotry against minorities, and transphobia is bigotry against minorities. Transphobia is socially shunned for the same reasons racism was.

And yet it is considered ‘transphobic’ to discuss, or even acknowledge, the negative impacts of that group’s rights on women’s and children’s rights.

And the misogyny of this is rarely acknowledged.

BluebirdsSong · 08/08/2021 10:51

@FloralBunting

Are you the poster defending homophobia on another thread? Always good to see which prejudices are being weaponized and how. You're doing a sterling job on FWR this morning.
Where have I defended homophobia?
Helleofabore · 08/08/2021 10:52

Cross with Errol.

BluebirdsSong · 08/08/2021 10:55

@Helleofabore
"And yet it is considered ‘transphobic’ to discuss, or even acknowledge, the negative impacts of that group’s rights on women’s and children’s rights."

Literally every form of bigotry has been justified as "protecting women and children". This was done to defend segregation and promote homophobia as well. Nazi slogans literally speak of "securing a future for white children".

So yes, bigotry in the name of "protecting women and children" is still bigotry, and still unacceptable.

AtalantaRun · 08/08/2021 10:56

Sorry you're getting this from your family OP. Must be absolutely shit.

FloralBunting · 08/08/2021 10:57

Blimey, Godwin already? It's not even 11am.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/08/2021 10:59

I'll make coffee Floral. We're going to need it if we're looking for reasons to remove safeguarding from women and children (again)

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