Gay men being subject to abuse for their sexuality

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Or Homophobia as we know it.

The belief that the trans-activists would stop by just attacking lesbians turns out to have been a miscalculation; gay men are a target now, and the community is only just starting to wake-up to the threat it is facing.

Woke Homophobia

@TheWeeDonkey

Not exactly, but I don't believe sexuality is strictly defined by genitals, gametes, or chromosomes either.

So you think sexuality is not defined by sex?

Please, continue. It's lovely to see you show your whole arse.

Which is, of course, defined as an elbow.

Wasn't super straight that thing created as a semi-joke by a teenage lad who then had to pull all his social media because TRAs were sending his mum death threats?

@OnlyTheLangOfTheTitberg

Not exactly, but I don't believe sexuality is strictly defined by genitals, gametes, or chromosomes either.

Seems more like you just don’t believe anyone should be allowed to say “no” to a transperson on any grounds whatsoever.

At this point, calling it - or indeed anything - “twansfobic” is on a par with hearing “wolf” floating down the mountain in a young boy’s voice…again.

You can say "no" to any individual trans person, go ahead. Just don't misgender them, don't make unsolicited commentary on whether they're a "real" man/woman, none of that shit.

Keep it at simply not finding them attractive. Just as you would to a non-trans gay person you don't find attractive. It's easy enough for those of us who aren't obsessed bigots.

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown

Wasn't super straight that thing created as a semi-joke by a teenage lad who then had to pull all his social media because TRAs were sending his mum death threats?

pretty much. Because he dared to say that, no, as he was straight, he didn't want dick, whatever the owner viewed themselves as.

something one of the trans widows wrote stuck with me

it hurt so much to see my husband actively making himself sexually unattractive to me

that's what I think about when males come here to tell women who to shag

Which is, of course, defined as an elbow.

[quote BluebirdsSong]@Artichokeleaves
"If you cannot have a sexuality that excludes people of the opposite sex, you cannot be homosexual."

Didn't you have that entire Super-Straight / Super-Gay stunt? Just go with that. It gets your point across while also clearly communicating to us who to shun/avoid.[/quote]
Could you be any more intolerant of homosexuality?

I don't know what your negative sweeping generalisation is there with the whole 'you had that entire superstraight whatever' stuff but as I remember, homosexual people weren't allowed to have that identity either. As you're illustrating here by making sure anyone knows saying they are homosexual means to expect punishment from - well, whoever 'us' refers to.

Good old fashioned homophobia and intolerance. And much, much nastier in tone than anything else on this thread.

And to underline again, this poster is insisting that lesbian and gay people should keep their orientation quiet so as not to offend.

@Chickenyhead
"I'm Super Bisexual. Does this count?"

How does that work? There's no logical way for bisexuality to exclude trans people, certainly not on the basis of sex lol.

The fact that "Super Bisexual" is one of the things you invented shows that none of this is actually about "sex-based attraction", that it's actually just bigotry against trans people.

You can say "no" to any individual trans person, go ahead. Just don't misgender them, don't make unsolicited commentary on whether they're a "real" man/woman, none of that shit.

No.

Because it's not about individuals, its about the right of female people to have a class of their own, to have spaces and activities where male people are not present and they are not required to engage in other people's beliefs as if they themselves hold them. It's about the right of female people to autonomy and to have some part of their life that is not always all about male people.

Many lesbian groups have been forced into an underground because of this absolute intolerance and inability to just accept other people have other beliefs, other boundaries and lives of their own.

some of the trans widows testimony is quite upsetting with regard to the sexual coercion that many of them seem to experience from their husband or partner.

an obsession with sex and with making others do what you want in the bedroom seems to be a thread running through many transition stories.

FloralBunting I try to make it a habit not to report post in FWR, I feel like letting them stand is more informative than deleting them, but this person is really pushing the boundaries all for shiz n giggles I recon

@Artichokeleaves
"its about the right of female people to have a class of their own, to have spaces and activities where male people are not present"

Well, guess what. Too bad. You don't get to have that. You don't get to completely exclude trans women. Because we will not condone anti-trans discrimination.

Deal with it.

You won't relent on your stances, so I do not see why I am under any obligation to.

[quote BluebirdsSong]@Chickenyhead
"I'm Super Bisexual. Does this count?"

How does that work? There's no logical way for bisexuality to exclude trans people, certainly not on the basis of sex lol.

The fact that "Super Bisexual" is one of the things you invented shows that none of this is actually about "sex-based attraction", that it's actually just bigotry against trans people.[/quote]
You in fact suggested adding super to the front of our sexuality. Not necessary in my opinion.

We know what we find attractive and we don't need to label it for you.

No is a complete sentence.

I choose not to have sex with anyone who believes the world is flat, anti-vax, religious fundamentalists, trans. No.

YOU CANNOT COMPEL PEOPLE TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU

It isnt transphobic.

It's freedom to choose.

How does that work? There's no logical way for bisexuality to exclude trans people, certainly not on the basis of sex lo

Sex attracted. Not gender. Unless of course you believe transwomen are men. And transmen are women. Do you?

We won't relent either menz.

DEAL WITH IT

@TheWeeDonkey

FloralBunting I try to make it a habit not to report post in FWR, I feel like letting them stand is more informative than deleting them, but this person is really pushing the boundaries all for shiz n giggles I recon

Yes, this is the awful difficulty. It's incredibly distressing to read this shit, of course. I won't pretend otherwise, especially having walked through it many times before, sometimes to great physical cost eventually.

But the worst thing is when people don't believe it, because there are a lot of people who do accept that homophobia is abhorrent, and thank fuck for that. So while it's very painful to be subjected to this kind of bigotry, at the very least I'm not a 15 year old lesbian being coerced by this person, and in pushing back as a grown woman, I can hopefully make more people see and stand up in defence of lesbians and gay men, kids and all women.

@Jorrris

How does that work? There's no logical way for bisexuality to exclude trans people, certainly not on the basis of sex lo

Sex attracted. Not gender. Unless of course you believe transwomen are men. And transmen are women. Do you?

How would being "sex attracted" exclude trans people from bisexuality?

[quote BluebirdsSong]@Artichokeleaves
"its about the right of female people to have a class of their own, to have spaces and activities where male people are not present"

Well, guess what. Too bad. You don't get to have that. You don't get to completely exclude trans women. Because we will not condone anti-trans discrimination.

Deal with it.

You won't relent on your stances, so I do not see why I am under any obligation to.[/quote]
In fact, females are subordinate to male wishes and identities and may not have anything for themselves?

Male supremacy complete.

Except you can't stop female people going underground to escape male colonisation, intrusion and oppression being forced upon them.

How do you feel you're doing in winning hearts and minds here?

Is TOO BAD the new #bekind?

Well, guess what. Too bad. You don't get to have that.

Except we do get to have that. It's the law.

You can keep on insisting on the right for males to enter female spaces, even when a woman says no, all you like. It's not the law, though.

Except you can't stop female people going underground to escape male colonisation, intrusion and oppression being forced upon them.

That much is true. Must really stick in homophobic totalitarian craw that lesbians are developing new networks that these bullies can't access.

And I suggest anyone who ever posts that their gay male friend thinks they are bigoted for wanting single sex spaces should point said gay friends to this thread so they can see what the allies actually priorities in the LGBT community and what they actually feel about the LGB bit.

Keep it at simply not finding them attractive. Just as you would to a non-trans gay person you don't find attractive. It's easy enough for those of us who aren't obsessed bigots.

You do love telling people what to do, don't you?

The attraction would fall at the first hurdle - they are not of the sex they are attracted to, why lie?

Oh and unless you have a valid GRC stay out of our spaces. You are your sex legally. Not your gender.