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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gay men being subject to abuse for their sexuality

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secular111 · 07/08/2021 19:48

Or Homophobia as we know it.

The belief that the trans-activists would stop by just attacking lesbians turns out to have been a miscalculation; gay men are a target now, and the community is only just starting to wake-up to the threat it is facing.

Woke Homophobia

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BluebirdsRequiem · 08/08/2021 19:12

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

We can and will change the Law of the Land.

To say what? That lesbians who aren’t sufficiently enthusiastic about heterosexual sex will get sent for re-education until they learn to love penis? Because that’s what you sound like. As if your ideal would be some kind of version of Gilead with you lot as the ruling class & uncooperative lesbians forced to be Handmaids.

You're acting as if Gilead allowed "males" to freely live as women, and vice versa. Like you, Gilead did not allow people to be who they want to be. We do.
BluebirdsRequiem · 08/08/2021 19:14

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/08/2021 19:15

@ErrolTheDragon

This stuff about 'exclusion' ... There's nothing wrong with adding more diversity of 'spaces', why not do that? Why not leave spaces for homosexuals alone and add whatever queer/bi/homogenderal ones you require? I mean presumably noone thinks all 'spaces' have to include everyone?
Your post reminds me of this thought-provoking thread on twitter.

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I asked a close friend for his thoughts on what I should tweet for #WorldAIDSDay. He’s what he sent me.

A thread from a gay man living with HIV.

1/ On 27th July 2015 I was diagnosed with HIV at Chalmers street clinic, Edinburgh. It really ruined the festival for me that year.

2/ I barely left my flat for four weeks. I also didn’t wash, change my clothes or eat regularly. I cried a lot and thought about suicide even more. I did leave the house daily to attend hurriedly arranged appointments at Chalmers Street because they had got it wrong obviously.

3/ They hadn’t. Didn’t see a single show at the fringe either. I’d split up with my partner 2 months earlier. I lost my new job, that happens when you don’t turn up for 4 weeks. So new start completely fucked then. Rent isn’t free so you can imagine how my finances were going.

4/ It felt like everything was ending. I mean, it was. I was on the edge of a complete mental break and suicidal. I was dragged back from the edge by the amazing team at the Chalmers Street Clinic and the ever-patient Gay Men’s Health Edinburgh.

5/ I couldn’t talk about this with anyone who was not a gay man. I’m not saying that’s reasonable or fair. But yes, I wanted to exclude everyone who was not a gay man from that conversation, in that space.

6/ I’d previously volunteered for Gay Men’s Health. One time, a couple of straight kids knocked the door looking for “johnnies”. They were swiftly told to beat it, with appropriate directions to the nearest family planning clinic.

7/ The member of staff explained that their services and funds were explicitly for gay men. Although they didn’t, they could employ exclusively gay men if they wanted to. It’s weird but I always remembered that and in that moment it’s what brought me comfort.

8/ I felt able to reach out and talk to them. They could accommodate my need for exclusion. Gay men only. My safe space. They had women on staff, heterosexual mothers & everything. However, my request for gay councillors was handled with nothing but compassion & understanding.

9/ I needed the services of a councillor as much as the doctor because two things had become apparent. 1) I was HIV positive. This condition is fatal if you do not receive treatment. 2) I wanted to kill myself. This condition is fatal if you do not receive treatment.

10/ I could not have got through it without the help of Gay Men’s Health. I would not have contacted them if they were not specifically gay. I wouldn’t have been able to talk to anyone who wasn’t a gay man. More than that I needed to feel safe in asking for that.

11/ I think I probably would have ended it all if I couldn’t access those services. If they had been “Queer, Gender Diverse, Non-binary, Trans People’s Health” I would not have contacted them. My fear of talking to anyone who is not gay regarding my HIV would have prevented me.

12/ I don’t like to talk about HIV. I don’t like to talk about me having it. Don’t mistake that for me having even half a fuck to give about what anyone else thinks about my diagnosis. Because I don’t. No fucks given. That’s the easy part.

13/ It’s what I think that’s the problem. I’m not ashamed, I just can’t forgive myself. And I hate myself for getting it. I don’t talk about it openly because I would hate it more if other HIV positive people heard it and thought I thought the same about them. I don’t.

14/ Most people with HIV blow my mind with their bravery and the example they set. I wish I was like them. I’m not. I still need someone to talk to sometimes. I still need that person to be a gay man. I still need those services and spaces.

15/ Happy endings only happen in massage parlours. This, unfortunately, is real life. Things have got better. I’m not a danger to myself or others most of the time. I’m adjusting. Still. I’m not trying to weaponise my diagnosis against anyone.

16/ Many different people from different communities have HIV. Everyone is important and should be equal in rights to treatment. My HIV diagnosis emphasises to me the importance of services specifically for gay men. Be it mental health or specific medical ones.

17/ It troubles me that in a world where queer theory & gender ideology reign supreme, where gay men won’t exist, that our services, & specifically their funding, won’t exist either. When it comes to the mental health aspect of my treatment, I still want to speak to a gay man.

18/ I still want to be ‘exclusionary’ & talk to someone who is like me. Even if that means excluding buttergasp trans people. We hear a lot about suicide prevention & lived experience. Services that are specifically for gay men prevent suicide. That’s my lived experience.

19/ I would have tweeted about this myself, instead of anonymously, but didn’t want to open myself up to that sort of online abuse that comes from saying anything that doesn’t include trans; just for standing up for services aimed at supporting any distinct group.

From here: twitter.com/HumanGayMale/status/1333746146884411399?s=19

I think we can draw clear parallels, can't we?

Artichokeleaves · 08/08/2021 19:15

Like you, Gilead did not allow people to be who they want to be. We do.

Unless of course they're female and want to be homosexual, or have sex based needs. I think it was 'discrimination' and 'shunning' that you mentioned as the planned approach for them.

Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 19:16

Transwomen are males, by sex, not gender.

Always will be.

Deal with it.

Artichokeleaves · 08/08/2021 19:17

You missed the part where I don't give a shit and where your transphobia won't be tolerated either way.

You don't give a shit about what bit? Reality? Reality is transphobic now?

TalkingOutYerArse · 08/08/2021 19:17

You missed the part where I don't give a shit and where your transphobia won't be tolerated either way

The truth can never be transphobic you absolute tool.

BluebirdsRequiem · 08/08/2021 19:18

@BatmansBat

I think it is beyond chilling to hear it expressed that homosexuals are “allowed” to only want to sleep with their own sex as long as they keep quiet about it. What is this, middle of last century?

Coming back to gay men, I remember when a friend of mine came out. He was about 20 and so scared about what we all would think. I remember his relief when he realised that we didn’t care. Obviously we cared about him and were happy for him, but we really couldn’t care less that he only was interested in dick.

I cannot imagine how traumatic it would have been if people had begun to tell him that this was a preference and that he not was allowed to exclude people with vaginas from his dating pool. Or if he did that he had to keep quiet about it.

We'd literally accept him all the same. None of us would be stopping him from loving men.

All we would ask of him is to not be transphobic towards trans men, or claim that his sexuality inherently excludes them. Easy.

CardinalLolzy · 08/08/2021 19:19

blue saying "You missed the part where I don't give a shit" that transwomen are not "cisgender" looks a hell of a lot like denying the trans part of their existence to me.

Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 19:20

Scientific fact is transphobic.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

The Royal family are lizards...

There is a cabal of satanic paedophiles running the world...

Woooooooo

BluebirdsRequiem · 08/08/2021 19:20

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FloralBunting · 08/08/2021 19:21

Ok, small voice of sanity here - this thread has been a magnificent example of a TRA saying some incredibly bigoted things.

I suspect that as evidence of saying these things out loud, it may be that the poster has had an epiphany of how this might appear and might want the thread to disappear.

Can I caution you to be careful in engaging so that the thread remains? Seems quite important.

BluebirdsRequiem · 08/08/2021 19:22

@Chickenyhead

Scientific fact is transphobic.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

The Royal family are lizards...

There is a cabal of satanic paedophiles running the world...

Woooooooo

Racist think race science is scientific fact. Homophobes think homosexuality being unhealthy is scientific fact.

Bigoted ideas parading as "scientific facts" belong in the dustbin of history.

CardinalLolzy · 08/08/2021 19:23

Agreed Floral - having shown their arse this is usually the point where they try to desperately crap all over the thread to get it deleted.
Do stay, Poe, please... We see that you have no argument.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/08/2021 19:23

All we would ask of him is to not be transphobic towards trans men, or claim that his sexuality inherently excludes them. Easy.

Translation: "I don't mind people being gay, I just don't like them talking about it".

Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 19:23

What is it that you want other than bullying women who find your behaviour and beliefs repulsive?

TalkingOutYerArse · 08/08/2021 19:24

@BluebirdsRequiem

Try harder mate.

Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 19:25

OK Floral Smile

Artichokeleaves · 08/08/2021 19:25

Bigoted filth like you always think your bigotry is reality itself.

Honey, TW are male. They are. What did you think the T bit means? I was born female, I can't just identify as a TW and appropriate that and the specific challenges and experiences involved of a person born male who transitions to be a TW, can I?

If you've hit the point of nothing more than reality is some alt right nightmare then I understand your frustration, but you really are running out of legs to stand on.

FloralBunting · 08/08/2021 19:26

It would be quite useful if someone more techy than me could archive the thread just in case?

CardinalLolzy · 08/08/2021 19:26

What did you think the T bit means?
They're denying the T.
Very right-wing thing to do.

Chickenyhead · 08/08/2021 19:26

I'm techphobic

PronounssheRa · 08/08/2021 19:29

All we would ask of him is to not be transphobic towards trans men, or claim that his sexuality inherently excludes them. Easy. You are denying same sex attraction, demanding gay men include females in their dating pool, and flinging slurs at them if they don't.

You are homophobic and no different to the homophobia of the past.

BluebirdsRequiem · 08/08/2021 19:29

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 08/08/2021 19:30

The truth can never be transphobic you absolute tool

I think I've found my t-shirt slogan for the day