Frances Barber Under Attack From TRAs

[ScreamingMeMe]

Looks like they are unhappy with her because she supports JK Rowling. Some little arsehole has contacted the theatre she is currently working at, to try and get her sacked.

She is not having it. Another strong, formidable woman.

twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/1416844763500777476?s=20

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

If you knew anything about Islam you’d know what Muslim women are not allowed to be with men they are not related to.
Single sex spaces means Muslim women can participate in public life (e.g. swimming). If there are males of any sort in that space, they will self-exclude, as will most women.

Oystercakemix:
You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

You've missed the point, which is that women who abide by the rules of some religions cannot use mixed-sex facilities. It's not just about safeguarding women & children & giving them privacy & dignity, it's about making it possible for certain religious women to take part in society.

Oyster, the group 'banging on' about single sex spaces is WOMEN, and Muslim women are part of the group, are they not? And if some men feel unsafe being around members of their own sex then that is men's problem to solve, not ours. So why the hell are you making it our problem? Take it to the men and talk to them about their fellow males who feel unsafe around them. Why tell us?

Bloody brilliant!

Oystercakemix:
You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

Stop pretending you care about islamaphobia when you clearly don't care about Muslim women, indeed don't even understand their needs.

You're full of double standards.

I've always really liked Frances Barber, and I like her even more now!

@LastSummerHere

Oyster, the group 'banging on' about single sex spaces is WOMEN, and Muslim women are part of the group, are they not? And if some men feel unsafe being around members of their own sex then that is men's problem to solve, not ours. So why the hell are you making it our problem? Take it to the men and talk to them about their fellow males who feel unsafe around them. Why tell us?

I could not agree more!

And don't forget that religion/belief is a protected characteristic. So the old 'rights are not pie' argument which tried to gloss over & ignore the clash between gender reassignement & sex (let alone sex & gender identity, which isn't a protected characteristic) - that argument is nonsense in terms of religion & gender.

There's a clash of rights all over the place, & ignoring that isn't moving any of us towards a solution.

You need to admit to yourselves that you're only jumping on this because she's been accused of transphobia, if it was just islamaphobia I'd imagine you'd think she was in the wrong.

Neither of these so called "phobias" make any sense at all, in this context and in 99.9 percent of the occasions the words are used.

None of us are obligated to respect Islamic religion or practice and non of us are obligated to respect the idea that trans women are women.

It's not complicated.

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

Interesting. Can we have some statistics for transwomen being in more danger in male spaces please? I would really like to see the proof.

I think that males decided that a subset of males should use the female toilets because … well just because they wanted to. No thought at all to the women using them already.

It's interesting. We have tons and tons of evidence of actual harm being cause by allowing transwomen into women only spaces but not a shred of evidence happening when they're in male spaces.

You'd think people who are arguing for the mortal peril they're in would have some. After all, that was the argument for them having to use women's spaces. And yet, crickets.

Rather clymene, yet only one group is accused of moral panics….

I shall expect some pretty damning statistics will be forthcoming.

@KittenKong

(((There's a new Strike in progress))) it was on twitter on a Frances thread...

Not just me that was inappropriately cheering at that bit of the thread then!

(JK, if you’re on here, take your time and make it a good ‘un, but somehow simultaneously get it finished ASAP, if you would. Three turns of the timer should be enough.)

@Oystercakemix You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

In other words, you are disingenuously using (appropriated) outrage on behalf of Muslims to bang on about the issue you really want to bang on about: i.e. how you don't think transwomen should use the spaces allocated for their own sex.

I would not agree with Arlene Foster's politics. However, I was firmly on her side in the Jessen libel case. It appeared to me that Jessen seemed to think he could treat women any which way. Indeed, I think that is why women's spaces (especially vulnerable women) are being compromised to male privilege. Males think they can treat women any old way. To the point that this Jay person started pointed his finger at Barber with the probably aim (in my opinion) of getting her sacked. He rather f*cked himself there, as he was hoping all the heat would be on Barber and now so many people can see him for the entitled little git he is in trying to get women sacked. There does seem to be a long line of males who enjoy tormenting women. And their little helpers too!

Two things can be true at the same time. One may not be so hot on one thing e.g. Foster's politics. One may be very hot on another thing e.g. Jensen brought to book for his libel.

Also one may be very hot on Frances Barber bringing another male to book for (allegedly) trying to screw women over. Fucked hoisted by his own petard.

@FloralBunting

It'll be because she's in a play with Ian McKellen. I suspect Jay thinks he can leverage McKellen because McKellen still supports Stonewall and has made some approving comments about E. Page being true to themself, so he would be up for some punishment of the disobedient woman. It remains to be seen if Jay was right in his assumption.

(Ignoring the extra desperate but oh so predictable TRA derail into the bingo card)

Ah, that's a lightbulb moment. Indeed, judging by what Ian McKellen has said publicly, this twat thinks he can get him on side.

Honestly. Getting him onside by threatening his friend's livelihood? And, at the same time making him understand, that if he ever said anything wrong, he will also be threatened.

These people have no idea how they come across.

And yes, this thread is a bit of an eye-opener. Masks being flung on the floor, all over the place.

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

So you've never heard of Karen White, Karen Jones, Paris Green? You've never heard of the man exposing his genitals to women and children at wi spa? Seriously, do you live under a rock?

There is zero evidence that transwomen are under any kind of threat in men's spaces. And if they are, that's a complete and perfect argument for a third space. Not to use women who are under threat, as human shields for men who already want to violate their boundaries!

Get a grip.

She's awesome..but I'm biased, she's a very close relative (I've name changed obv)

Why are we talking about islamophobia? The original tweets in the OP have nothing about islamophobia in them. He accuses her of transphobia and racism, but if he meant islamophobia, why didn’t he say that?

Frances’ islamophobia, whether it exists or not, is irrelevant. Jay’s gone after her because she has an opinion that he doesn’t like. And it’s absolutely laughable that people here are saying that she’s been rude to someone who tried to get her sacked!

What does Emily Post have to say about the correct etiquette for when someone publically threatens your livelihood ? I am hoping it involves some sort of elaborate cut in the street using a fan and a parasol.

In the real world, she’s perfectly entitled to defend herself robustly.

Frances’ islamophobia, whether it exists or not, is irrelevant. Jay’s gone after her because she has an opinion that he doesn’t like. And it’s absolutely laughable that people here are saying that she’s been rude to someone who tried to get her sacked!

Yup.

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

If you have a penis, you are NOT a woman. Therefore you do not fall under the women's protected characteristic of sex.

Transwomen are Transwomen, protected under gender reassignment protected characteristic. And male sex characteristic in the absence of a GRC.

Neither group is more important, equal but entirely separate safe spaces are appropriate.

Women by sex are at risk from males by sex, to a proven degree, whether transwomen or natal men. Neither of these should be imposed upon women's safe spaces.

I can't tell you how over it I am concerning the argument 'this person said something that I don't like, or something that lots of people don't like, therefore men should be allowed in women's spaces'.

If one doesn't like what someone says fucking say so, don't bring it up as an extra argument regarding sex segregation.

Err hmmm

Not totally relevant here, but someone upthread mentions TV's favourite doctor, Christian Jessen, in the context of his having lost the court case with Arlene Foster. I see his crowdfunder is now a less ambitious £15,000 and he has been given almost £10,000.

As you were.

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

How is that women's problem?

Well done Frances Barber .

Quite right no one should get away with this.