Frances Barber Under Attack From TRAs

[ScreamingMeMe]

Looks like they are unhappy with her because she supports JK Rowling. Some little arsehole has contacted the theatre she is currently working at, to try and get her sacked.

She is not having it. Another strong, formidable woman.

twitter.com/francesbarber13/status/1416844763500777476?s=20

@Helleofabore

Even if you believe Jay is in the wrong here, you do have to admit that Frances has acted hugely disproportionately when actively threatening him.

What is the difference between her threat and his threat in your eyes that makes her threat disproportionate?

I'd love to see an answer this.

I expect it's because she's a woman. And should rise above it.

Because women are held to a massively higher standard than men.

It seems you are supportive of totalitarian behaviour @Oystercakemix and also believe that their is a correct response to totalitarianism which can only be determined by those imposing it?

@ScreamingMeMe

They seem to have appropriated people of colour and somehow added them to the "trans umbrella"

They also say that a belief in two sexes is "white colonialism"

Exactly! They are claiming other people's oppression!

It's disgusting. (Or, as they would say: "Ew, gross").

She hasn't doxxed him. She's found out his name and address and has threatened legal action.

And she called him a fuckhead. 💪

I saw the Jay stuff but his tweets were already protected when I became aware. What was her tweet that set it off - out of interest?

His tweet set it off. He tried to get her fired from her play.

It is incredibly dense to think someone legitimately criticing someone in the public eye because they've been hateful is the same as someone in the public eye dogpiling and doxxing someone unknown.

Jay decided to do this publicly on twitter. Francis responded publicly on twitter.

Why is it acceptable for Jay to do this and not Francis? Why is it unacceptable for women to stand up for themselves.

Also Jay wasn't doxxed, all the info about him was available on his own twitter feed.

He has plastered his job, who he is, where he works, even photos of his desk and parking space on social media under his name. It didn’t exactly take secret squirrel to track him down. He tried to name and shame someone - why should he feel that he is at liberty to do this at will, with no back fire?

Interesting response.

I see nothing to back up your assertions that Frances Barber is any of those things you ascribe to her.

Criticise another person's views by all means, Jay, however, did not do that he attempted to get her fired because she won't and doesn't agree with him.

@Wildgarlicpesto

It seems you are supportive of totalitarian behaviour *@Oystercakemix* and also believe that their is a correct response to totalitarianism which can only be determined by those imposing it?

I'm not sure facing the consequences of your own actions is the definition of totalitarianism. Again, Frances Barber tweeted a series of transphobic and islamaphobic things. She didn't just tweet about a 'sharia taxi driver', she blamed all muslims for the London Bridge attack as well as chiding the Labour party because they 'love burkas'. She is not free from criticism, these are incredibly nasty things to say and it's not acceptable. Jay didn't threaten her, he didn't even tweet her. He put together a thread tagging her workplace to highlight what she'd said. It's not libelious, she said it. I don't even know what she intends to take him court over, she hasn't lost her job.

I think attacking someone and threatening them, which is what she did and it's plain to see on her twitter account is nasty. You need to admit to yourselves that you're only jumping on this because she's been accused of transphobia, if it was just islamaphobia I'd imagine you'd think she was in the wrong.

@Datun

His tweet set it off. He tried to get her fired from her play.

Just, out of the blue? Not responding to anything specific?

Really weird.

I have recently deleted all my tweets and protected them because I am worried about my job finding out. It's so hideous.

We all know TRAs can't care less about anything Frances said regarding Muslims...they are using it simply as a stick to beat her with. If they cared two things about Muslims, they wouldn't push so hard for Muslim women to be pushed out of their own single sex spaces, would they?🙄 TRAs are the most revolting, two faced, evil people.

VanGoghsDog

I didn't see that it was to anything specific, no. She supported J. K. Rowling in the recent issue concerning the pornography posted to her timeline. And Francis Barber is a gender critical woman and makes no bones about it.

If it was something else, specific, then I haven't read it.

@LastSummerHere

We all know TRAs can't care less about anything Frances said regarding Muslims...they are using it simply as a stick to beat her with. If they cared two things about Muslims, they wouldn't push so hard for Muslim women to be pushed out of their own single sex spaces, would they?🙄 TRAs are the most revolting, two faced, evil people.

So it's okay to be islamaphobic if you feel the other side are as well? Weird take.

It is somewhere on the multiple threads.

She basically expressed that men can become women. Correct.

He then called her transphobic. Ridiculous.

She then replied something like "an 82 yo cannot just decide to become a 28 yo" correct.

At which point he complained to the theatre etc about their support of transphobia etc.

All because she supported JKR.

Jay didn't threaten her, he didn't even tweet her. He put together a thread tagging her workplace to highlight what she'd said

Untrue. Jay copied Francis into some of his original tweets, then tweeted the theatre again separately when they hadn't caved to his demands. He cited her refusal to accept trans women are women and trans men are men as a reason she should lose her job. To be clear, she didn't share the same beliefs as him. That appears to be the sum total of his evidence against her.

I can't see any evidence that Jay mentioned anything about Islamaphobia. Although he has locked his account so who knows

I'm sure all the posters who think a woman is in the wrong when she legitimately defends herself against someone trying to get her sacked will be happy to contribute to Jay's legal fund.......

It'll be because she's in a play with Ian McKellen. I suspect Jay thinks he can leverage McKellen because McKellen still supports Stonewall and has made some approving comments about E. Page being true to themself, so he would be up for some punishment of the disobedient woman.
It remains to be seen if Jay was right in his assumption.

(Ignoring the extra desperate but oh so predictable TRA derail into the bingo card)

She is not free from criticism, these are incredibly nasty things to say and it's not acceptable.

Not acceptable to whom? Who decides on this acceptability? No-one is free from criticism, oh except those who tell women to choke on my lady dick or die in a grease fire and a myriad other incredibly nasty things TRAs and their allies relentlessly post about and to those women who refuse to chant the TWAW mantra, all of that seems acceptable.

Jay didn't threaten her

Jay threatened her livelihood. As a Judge said In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society, which is what Jay is aping. Frances Barber is as entitled as everyone else is to an opinion and to air that opinion, she has no right to force others to agree with or accept that opinion, unlike Jay who is adamant that Frances must accept his or he will report her to her employer to try and get her sacked. It absolutely is totalitarian to dictate that only people who hold certain opinions and express them in an accepted way are able to express said opinions or be employed, if you don't know that you need to brush up on your history.

He attacked her and her livelihood, she responded, if you or him don't like the manner in which she responded, tough.

@LastSummerHere

Did I say it was ok? What I said is that you and the other mad TRAs don't give two fucks about Muslims. If you did, you wouldn't try so hard to have men access the single sex spaces of Muslim women and you wouldn't USE them to hurt women fighting for their rights. Do you understand that? Or do I need to repeat it another time?

There's only one group who bang on about single sex spaces and it's not muslim women. Stop using them to further your bigotry whilst simultaneously supporting someone who is islamaphobic.

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

@KittenKong

If someone purposely came after me and tried to get me fired / mess up my career, livelihood, my family’s income, I would not timidly hide away or beg forgiveness. I’d be coming right back at them - as my mother always used to also say “never start anything - but always finish it”

Weirdly thats exactly what i said to dd the other day 😀

Jay didn't threaten her

So tweeting her employers is not a threat?

But mentioning that she would take his actions further is?

Really not sure how you think his attempt to get her fired was not a threat…..

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

I work with Muslim women, their already small world is shrinking even further due to your desire for men to be given unfettered access to female only single sex spaces and services. As with all things with allies such as yourself you care naught for that you care only for the men, women are dispensable, every whim of a man must catered for.

Show me the evidence that TW are at risk in male spaces. If there is any evidence and I've searched high and low for it and can find none, then the answer is not to allow men unfettered access to female spaces but to sort out the issue within male spaces or provide an alternative space alongside single sex male and single sex female spaces.