The Guardian have upped their game, we’re now Anti-trans for asking for same-sex spaces

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www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/18/dozens-arrested-in-los-angeles-as-anti-trans-protest-outside-spa-turns-violent

“Women carrying signs reading “protect female spaces” and “It’s worse in women’s shelters”. Calls to defend “female spaces” and “women’s shelters” have become rallying cries of anti-trans groups, who have falsely suggested that trans-inclusive policies endanger cis women.”

This, according to the Guardian, is what makes women anti-trans. It’s infuriating. Using “Falsely” to describe women’s experiences of having biological males in female spaces.

All this from one woman saying No to willies waggling in front of women and girls.

trans people should be treated with respect and dignity without compromising safeguarding

trans people should be treated with respect and dignity without compromising safeguarding

Third spaces then? I agree, that's this time wasting dangerous bullshit all sorted out in three words... wait, why is this angry horde of green haired people with pitchforks coming after me?

Run @allmywhat, run!

More seriously, I've seen people new to this debate come on to the Feminism boards to say 'why don't we have third spaces, that would solve all the problems!' and regulars saying 'well yes, that's what we've been saying all along'. And then we're told that only extremist TRA's take the view that it's 'othering' and 'transphobic' so we should be feministing better. It's tiring.

This is a shockingly poor piece of journalism. It is of course from the US team - I like to think that, abysmal as it is, the UK paper wouldn't publish something this biased.

Glinner's latest Substack draws attention to one of the tweets embedded in the article from Lois Beckett herself, where she says "Just got thrown to the ground by a group of right-wing anti-paedophile protesters."

Those damn right-wingers, protesting about paedophiles...

[quote nauticant]Translate: Be kind to sex offenders or else.

This in today's Sunday Times shows where that gets you:

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That's an appalling story, @nauticant. Thanks for the link to the archived version. Deserves its own thread.

Mishy's argument is basically 'why were the police not called to this incident? See, it probably didn't happen' (never mind that the behaviour was legal locally) AND 'It's perfectly ok for bepenised people to be in female spaces because they won't want to show anyone their penises' (never mind that this individual certainly did, & was in a fully nude space).

FFS, pick one horse to ride at a time.

I'm sure we used to get a better class of TRA than this. At least that jj one was occasionally intentionally funny...

If there was an incident, then a police report and charges can be laid. American facilities are pretty good with CCTV, so shouldn't be hard to catch the "Perp" if they existed. So far..... well nothing, it seems.

Why don't you ever acknowledge you are wrong, Mishy? Why do you bring up the same incorrect points over and over? Why don't you read what people write?

women carrying signs reading “protect female spaces” and “It’s worse in women’s shelters” marched alongside men wearing helmets and masks that covered their faces

From the article. How on EARTH did the writer know that the people carrying signs were women and the people wearing helmets were men?

Sounds a wee bit of a transphobic assumption to make...

American facilities are pretty good with CCTV

In changing rooms??

Mishi never acknowledges it when they are (continuously) proved wrong.
They just wait until a new thread is created then jump on and say the same embarrassing, factually incorrect, bullshit, over and over again.

They just wait until a new thread is created then jump on and say the same embarrassing, factually incorrect, bullshit, over and over again.

Really not clear how that is supposed to help trans people.

‘Really not clear how that is supposed to help trans people’

It doesn’t, its designed to derail threads and stop women voicing their concerns to each other.

That story nauticant linked to is worth a read in its own right and also: "Julia tells her story in Dispatches: Torn Apart — Family Courts Uncovered, on Channel 4 at 10pm on Tuesday" - suspect this will be eye- opening.

@CardinalLolzy

That story nauticant linked to is worth a read in its own right and also: "Julia tells her story in Dispatches: Torn Apart — Family Courts Uncovered, on Channel 4 at 10pm on Tuesday" - suspect this will be eye- opening.

It is wretched - and it's so inline with the experience of so many women on Mumsnet.

Just when you think you have heard it all, we get safeguarding should be inclusive

Just out of curiosity mishy how many women and girls should come to harm before you consider their needs?

@merrymouse

American facilities are pretty good with CCTV

In changing rooms??

In an all-naked spa?

The amount of stupidity and bad faith floating round here and on twitter today...have people got heatstroke?

@PronounssheRa

Just when you think you have heard it all, we get safeguarding should be inclusive

Just out of curiosity mishy how many women and girls should come to harm before you consider their needs?

Oddly enough, I needed to renew safeguarding training earlier today.

My takeaway, at least in the UK, is that we are expected to adopt the stance of "Trust no-one. Document everything." At no point in our consultations of the Care Act 2014, the local Safeguarding Adults/Children Boards or any relevant policy, was there the instruction that safeguarding should be inclusive - Unless the poster was paraphrasing the many obligations roughly as:

Safeguarding must include what some people describe as sacred castes because individuals, settings, and organisations are never exempt from safeguarding scrutiny.

Well yes but it's only the left's extremists who are being promoted and supported by supposedly mainstream outlets from the Guardian to the New York Times isn't it

Yes it is, struggling to see how ive implied otherwise

Far left is just as bad as far right, they just do shit things in different ways

LangCleg wrote Thu 21-Feb-19

"How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation?pg=12

@Beefcurtains79

Why would there be a police report if it’s not against the law? I think this was pointed out to you on a previous thread too, but you just ignored everyone as usual.

Funny that

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Absolutely awful article with a convicted child sex offender gaining legal aid numerous times and officials failing to prevent numerous traumatic court cases. How the hell did social services, legal aid and the court system enable this to happen? Surely this case needs to be taken forward and lessons need to be learnt, legislation passed to prevent a repeat.

safeguarding should be inclusive

........what does that even mean? It's a nice sounding piece of burble, but what on earth does that translate into in terms of plain English?

Safeguarding should safeguard. End of. That it presents inconvenient boundaries? Good.

@Beefcurtains79

Mishi never acknowledges it when they are (continuously) proved wrong. They just wait until a new thread is created then jump on and say the same embarrassing, factually incorrect, bullshit, over and over again.

You've really got to wonder if this person is adding in any way to the civil debate that MNHQ fall over themselves to avidly to believe they're facilitating

The goal of safeguarding is literally to exclude the minority who would do harm, whether advising people to ask for ID when someone asks to read the meter or teaching children that people they meet on line aren’t necessarily who they say they are.

There is nothing intrinsically virtuous about being in a minority or inclusivity.