How is it "gender critical" to impose rigid binary social categories based on sex?

[CuriousPanda]

For most of history, the whole point of feminism was to oppse sex-based segregation and restrictions that were imposed by patriarchal society.

So I don't see how supporting strict gender categories, and simply calling them "sex-based" instead, in any way leans itself to "gender abolition".

One might get impression that "gender" is simply being used to mean trans people existing, and "gender abolition" simply means restricting trans people from being able to transition and use different gender labels. And basically nothing else.

With "sex-based rules and restrictions" being basically just gender roles but trans-proofed.

@chickenyhead

So far you have misgendered me twice.

You are transphobic

How exactly have I misgendered you?

I really don't think that many foreign male agitators visitors have the foggiest what UK and Irish women are like. Like - REALLY.

Their oppressed female counterparts are exposed to even less accuarate information.

Hence the culture clash on these threads.

Thinking especially of the Americas and diaspora.

They get their ideas from highly controlled TV/radio/t'int media and education.

If you "don't have the same obsession", why do you constantly obsess over trans women calling themselves women?

BECAUSE IT MEANS ANY MAN CAN ACCESS ANY THING THAT IS FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS. AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

BECAUSE MALE HUMANS PRESENT A LARGE RISK TO FEMALE HUMANS.

Crikey Mikey.

I have told you my chosen gender. You chose to ignore it and name me by my sex.

It is not dishonest at all, chickenyhead really does have a sexpanda called Woman.

I will, once the women in question stop stalking trans women on the internet in turn.

Women on Ovarit and Spinster are trying to get away from males. They are not stalking them so leave us alone.

@Wildgarlicpesto

It is not dishonest at all, chickenyhead really does have a sexpanda called Woman.

Sssshhhhhhh that was between us....

@PurpleHoodie

I really don't think that many foreign male agitators visitors have the foggiest what UK and Irish women are like. Like - REALLY.

Their oppressed female counterparts are exposed to even less accuarate information.

Hence the culture clash on these threads.

Thinking especially of the Americas and diaspora.

They get their ideas from highly controlled TV/radio/t'int media and education.

What makes you think I'm a male? I haven't stated my sex or gender at all, nor do I intend to.

Could it be you're determining my sex by some sort of... behavioral gender stereotype? 🤔

Weird, I thought the only way to determine someone's sex was by inspecting their gametes and chromosomes.

OP

your definition means that loads of female people are not women.

Your definition means those female people are all trans.

You are having a go at trans people because they disagree with you, essentially.

Why are you not listening to the lived experience?

Why are you misgendering?

It has everything to do with you trying to stamp out gender non-conformity, by forcefully shoving trans people back into a box that they do not want to be in.

Trans people can do anything and call themselves anything they please. They just can't change the reality of their sex, or infringe upon the rights of another group of people.

It's as crazy as a blind person wanting to claim "sighted" status because that's how they identify. Well, you're blind I'm afraid.

Why is it not enough for transwomen and transmen to be proud of being transwomen and transmen?

Why the insistence that the world pretends they are the opposite sex? Why can't they enjoy the rights they have as transmen and transwomen?

Constantly misgendrring. I do not identify as the societal concept of woman. Never have. I am an individual.

I don't conform to stereotypes in any form.

OP in return why are you assuming that posters are ciswomen?

Same difference surely?

@chickenyhead

So far you have misgendered me twice.

You are transphobic

Its lucky for the OP that posters on this board don’t like to report

just more bollocks from someone who doesn't understand what discrimination and disadvantages having the kind of body that can grow babies inside it can bring

fuck me it's BORING

I'm not "coming up" with anything, I'm recounting things I've personally seen GC people say on places like Ovarit, Spinster, Twitter...

So, different people posting in different places to the people posting here then. I don’t read those sites. If that’s what they are saying they don’t speak for me so it’s pretty pointless holding me responsible for their words. How about you engage with what people here are saying?

And as soon as I posted an example here, you've agreed with a "male" dressing feminine being called a "fetishist" deserving of mockery and shaming, so I know you're of much of the same mind.

I agreed some males wear women’s clothing as a fetish. I also highlighted that other males may wear women’s clothing and it not be a fetish. At no point did I say either group were trans women, nor that either group deserved mockery or shaming. As I said in my earlier post to you, this is stuff you are thinking you see but in reality no one other than you is saying.

YOU ARE REFLECTING YOUR OWN PREJUDICES BACK AT YOURSELF AND THINKING IT’S COMING FROM OUTSIDE.

@NiceGerbil
^Your definition means that loads of female people are not women.
Your definition means those female people are all trans.^

... Yeah, a lot of people you'd call "female people" are not women, but trans men and non-binary people.

And "female people" who do call themselves women and "male people" who call themselves men are simply cisgender, as they use the same gender labels that they've been assigned since birth.

Not a difficult concept to grasp, But easy to be obstinate about if you refuse to accept even the simplest of explanations.

Although again, that requires accepting that your state of being isn't the only legitimate and acceptable one.

This is like arguing discussing with my niece about how old she'll be on her next birthday. I say 4, because she's currently 3 and that's what comes next.
She says 6 because she wants to be 6.

One of us is right. The other is confused.

You have banged on non stop for days about trans women being women, I think you left a gigantic trail of clues to your sex there @CuriousPanda

How do you assign a gender label at birth and where is this recorded perchance?

@chickenyhead

Constantly misgendrring. I do not identify as the societal concept of woman. Never have. I am an individual.

I don't conform to stereotypes in any form.

You did call yourself a woman, and that alone mean this is your gender identity.

"Conforming to stereotypes" is not a requirement.

@Wildgarlicpesto

You have banged on non stop for days about trans women being women, I think you left a gigantic trail of clues to your sex there *@CuriousPanda*

Quite

One of us is right. The other is confused

I know there is a certain sureal quality to these threads at the moment but I do think that it has been wonderfully clarifying seeing the arguements being demolished over and over again.

As women we are conditioned to second quess ourself constantly, so to see how weak the opposing arguments are is encouraging.

I have the confidence now to talk to peole at work so thank you to our new friends where ever they are from.

Sorry op I missed your definition of woman so I found your last post confusing

Could you remind me please

Label label label label label.