How is it "gender critical" to impose rigid binary social categories based on sex?

[CuriousPanda]

For most of history, the whole point of feminism was to oppse sex-based segregation and restrictions that were imposed by patriarchal society.

So I don't see how supporting strict gender categories, and simply calling them "sex-based" instead, in any way leans itself to "gender abolition".

One might get impression that "gender" is simply being used to mean trans people existing, and "gender abolition" simply means restricting trans people from being able to transition and use different gender labels. And basically nothing else.

With "sex-based rules and restrictions" being basically just gender roles but trans-proofed.

Now we're on to "stamp out".

That's a favourite!

gender identity is simply identifying with a particular set of terms, labels, and pronouns, that's it. Anything else is optional.

So why do these gender identities require different bathrooms, sports, changing rooms, pools, prisons, etc etc etc? What can a simple choice of which words one prefers possibly have to do with physical, on the ground segregation?

I mean, when you base it on sex it’s obvious, but words?

Nope, there are many different ways to be a woman

There are. 3 and a half billion, plus all the billions of women that have gone before our time.

None of those ways include being a member of the sex which can produce small motile gametes.

And no Poundshop Sophistry Club can make a convincing argument why they believe otherwise, other than blind ideological adherence.

You hate it because you believe your state of being to be the only acceptable "normal", and refuse to accept trans people as equal

jesus

is this 'You think ' still going on?

dear god it's tedious

I think I have just been misgendered

@Blibbyblobby

You're the ones who started tossing around Trump comparisons. It's a pattern with you guys, really marks you as some of the most dishonest people around. You say something ridiculously stupid, I counter it, and then you pretend I started the subject.

No. You misunderstand something, try to use that misinterpretation as a gotcha, and quite rightly get called out on it.

You know all those nasty things you claim GC people are saying despite the many many people here taking time to explain you’ve misunderstood? The brain that’s actually coming up with that stuff isn’t ours, it’s yours. Google “projection”.

I'm not "coming up" with anything, I'm recounting things I've personally seen GC people say on places like Ovarit, Spinster, Twitter...

And as soon as I posted an example here, you've agreed with a "male" dressing feminine being called a "fetishist" deserving of mockery and shaming, so I know you're of much of the same mind.

Most of you ultimately despise gender non-conformity, even though you pretend not to.

I think the OP is very, very young.

Nope, there are many different ways to be a woman, gender identity is simply identifying with a particular set of terms, labels, and pronouns, that's it. Anything else is optional.

And there you have it.

The ultimate denial of material reality.

You've well and truly outed yourself with that ignorant comment.

Being a woman isn't semantics.

Do you use feminine labels

People use words. You are reimagining simple straightforward words as "labels".

You are involved in a very label obsessed community that seems to think everyone has the same level of obsession.

They really don't.

dear god it's tedious

It is. On the positive side, it's confirmed which returning poster I think this person is, so that's something.

Yes, you were chickenyhead. I saw it.

Very keen on telling other people what they are and what they believe this one. Very imperialist imo.

You know nothing about us. I don't use any of those platforms and my child identifies as non binary with her transmale boyfriend.

Showing yourself up panda

@chickenyhead

Woman is my sex panda.

That's the truth.

And there we have it, declaring your gender identity and then simply claiming it's "inherent" to your sex.

It's such a frustrating, dishonest game you people are always playing.

Gender identity = identification with narrow societal and cultural expectations of behaviour associated with sex, so yes you do.

Why is this lie constantly brought up? Masses of trans people defy gender stereotypes associated with their own gender, a major critique of gender identity clinics (which are almost exclusively lead by people who are not trans) is that they have ridiculous, rigid demands of adhering to gender stereotypes (trans women being forced to show up in dresses, a full face of make up, long hair, trans men being forced to show up in pants, shirts in some shade of boring brown/generic grey and short haircuts because apparently long hair on men Isn't Viably Possible).

I get questioned by Mumsnet for being a trans man who enjoys occasionally wearing make-up and dresses and not caring about stereotypical manly behaviour because 'how can I be a trans man if I like feminine things and don't want to be masculine', not by trans people, yet it's still repeated that we're the ones forcing gender stereotypes on ourselves.

@Wildgarlicpesto

Do you use feminine labels

People use words. You are reimagining simple straightforward words as "labels".

You are involved in a very label obsessed community that seems to think everyone has the same level of obsession.

They really don't.

If you "don't have the same obsession", why do you constantly obsess over trans women calling themselves women?

You came back! I see you still don't understand the issue.
We believe that women can build the IKEA furniture and mow the lawn while men make the tea and enjoy knitting. We know which ones are the males because they have the penis and small gametes.
hth

I'm not "coming up" with anything, I'm recounting things I've personally seen GC people say on places like Ovarit, Spinster, Twitter...

Maybe you could stop following women around the internet and get out more.

It is not inherent to my sex, otherwise transpeople wouldn't exist

Wow

'Nope, there are many different ways to be a woman, gender identity is simply identifying with a particular set of terms, labels, and pronouns, that's it. Anything else is optional.'

Different ways to be a woman including

Be of the male sex
Wear the clothes, have the haircut, etc etc considered the norm for the male sex
Use a standard male name pronouns etc
Enjoy getting pissed up and attacking anyone they fancy in their spare time (eg those who support the wrong team, males they perceive to weak, gay, women, etc etc)

Yep there are indeed some more liberating 'ways to be a woman' these days.

How are you a man? what is it that makes you a man?

So far you have misgendered me twice.

You are transphobic

@Wildgarlicpesto

I'm not "coming up" with anything, I'm recounting things I've personally seen GC people say on places like Ovarit, Spinster, Twitter...

Maybe you could stop following women around the internet and get out more.

I will, once the women in question stop stalking trans women on the internet in turn.

Oh and yes using facilities for women and girls, playing sport against women, if necessary to be on an in patient mental health ward then the one with the women and girls, and of course if imprisoned then in the female estate.

It's wonderfully progressive.

Most of you ultimately despise gender non-conformity, even though you pretend not to.

This is just patently wrong. Your posts are really tedious.

It's boring to state over and over in different ways that men are men and women are women despite how they dress and present themselves.

This is like trying to have a conversation with my cat. Futile isn't strong enough of a word.

If you "don't have the same obsession", why do you constantly obsess over trans women calling themselves women?

It rarely comes up! Only when posters such as yourself pose blatantly bullshit questions like you did on this thread.