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How is it "gender critical" to impose rigid binary social categories based on sex?

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CuriousPanda · 13/07/2021 21:07

For most of history, the whole point of feminism was to oppse sex-based segregation and restrictions that were imposed by patriarchal society.

So I don't see how supporting strict gender categories, and simply calling them "sex-based" instead, in any way leans itself to "gender abolition".

One might get impression that "gender" is simply being used to mean trans people existing, and "gender abolition" simply means restricting trans people from being able to transition and use different gender labels. And basically nothing else.

With "sex-based rules and restrictions" being basically just gender roles but trans-proofed.

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Whatabouttery · 14/07/2021 22:25

You sure to enjoy aligning yourselves with awful people.

As opposed to the hundreds of TRA's threatening to rape and kill women for daring to have an opinion?

RedDogsBeg · 14/07/2021 22:26

We just see then as men

Which is what they are, we know it and they know it no matter how much twisting of words, logic and reality is deployed in an attempt to deny this.

PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 22:26

merrymouse

Gosh. Bit harsh. I'd only send them to the tack-room for a arse handing.

walking backwards slowly Grin

Wildgarlicpesto · 14/07/2021 22:26

Mention does not mean align.

Next?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 22:26

He sure seems to meet your criteria for what passes as feminism these days.

Yes we both understand that water is wet.

PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 22:27

Or Wildgarlicpesto

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CuriousPanda · 14/07/2021 22:27

[quote Whatabouttery]@CuriousPanda

I believe women and men, both cis and trans, ought to be free to live, dress, and identify however they want

Ok, let's start with I don't want to be identified as c*s[/quote]
Why not? It's simply a term that means your gender identity is the same as assigned at birth.

You hate it because you believe your state of being to be the only acceptable "normal", and refuse to accept trans people as equal.

It's just "I'm not straight, I'm normal" all over again.

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merrymouse · 14/07/2021 22:27

I do not believe in narrow gender roles?

Gender identity = identification with narrow societal and cultural expectations of behaviour associated with sex, so yes you do.

Whereas plenty of you frequently use "masculine" interests as a gotcha against trans women.

No idea what this means.

merrymouse · 14/07/2021 22:29

Why not? It's simply a term that means your gender identity is the same as assigned at birth.

Why do you assume that anyone on this thread identifies with a gender? Why do you consistently misgender people?

NiceGerbil · 14/07/2021 22:29

And it's about MEN fgs.

How can you not grasp this?

It's about the FACT that a large minority of men are creepy weirdy perves. Or outright sex offenders. That sadly plenty of men are sexually interested in children.

And throwing open the doors to all single sex things is a gift to them. To these MEN.

'I do not believe in narrow gender roles? I believe women and men, both cis and trans, ought to be free to live, dress, and identify however they want. And that this does not dictate or invalidate their gender identity.'

I agree.

I strongly disagree that anyone who says that a statement of internal gender ID should mean access to any and all (not that there are many) things that are single sex due to the FACT that vagina people are and always have been very vulnerable to variety of risks from penis people.

Risks that are non trivial at all.

dyslek · 14/07/2021 22:30

All your arguments get demolished, over and over again. What are you getting out of this?

Pretinding that that is not happening does not make it so, everyone reading this can see it.
Its like you are closing your eyes and thinking that no one else can see you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 22:30

Why not? It's simply a term that means your gender identity is the same as assigned at birth.

No, it's an in group identity label that we have zero need for, because we don't subscribe to your fringe ideological belief.

RedDogsBeg · 14/07/2021 22:31

Why not? It's simply a term that means your gender identity is the same as assigned at birth.

No-one assigned me a gender identity at birth, yet more risible nonsense, they didn't assign me a sex either, my sex was observed and recorded.

merrymouse · 14/07/2021 22:31

vagina people are and always have been very vulnerable to variety of risks from penis people.

Not least pregnancy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 22:31

All your arguments get demolished, over and over again. What are you getting out of this?

All attention is attention.

NiceGerbil · 14/07/2021 22:31

OP please correct me if I'm wrong but I assume

'Whereas plenty of you frequently use "masculine" interests as a gotcha against trans women.'

Masculine interests here relates to pervy weirdyness and sex offending.

Which is... Well.

Blibbyblobby · 14/07/2021 22:32

You're the ones who started tossing around Trump comparisons. It's a pattern with you guys, really marks you as some of the most dishonest people around. You say something ridiculously stupid, I counter it, and then you pretend I started the subject.

No. You misunderstand something, try to use that misinterpretation as a gotcha, and quite rightly get called out on it.

You know all those nasty things you claim GC people are saying despite the many many people here taking time to explain you’ve misunderstood? The brain that’s actually coming up with that stuff isn’t ours, it’s yours. Google “projection”.

Whatabouttery · 14/07/2021 22:32

@CuriousPanda
TRA ideology has nothing to do with homosexuality. It's repulsive the way TRA's use the fight for gay rights and women's rights to legitimise their arguments.

Almost as if they have nothing of their own.

I really feel for trans people caught in the middle of all this. You're not doing them any favours.

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CuriousPanda · 14/07/2021 22:32

@merrymouse

I do not believe in narrow gender roles?

Gender identity = identification with narrow societal and cultural expectations of behaviour associated with sex, so yes you do.

Whereas plenty of you frequently use "masculine" interests as a gotcha against trans women.

No idea what this means.

Nope, there are many different ways to be a woman, gender identity is simply identifying with a particular set of terms, labels, and pronouns, that's it. Anything else is optional.
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chickenyhead · 14/07/2021 22:32

I don't have a gender identity to align. If I did, I would be non-binary agender.

dyslek · 14/07/2021 22:32

@Ereshkigalangcleg seems so Confused

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CuriousPanda · 14/07/2021 22:33

[quote Whatabouttery]@CuriousPanda
TRA ideology has nothing to do with homosexuality. It's repulsive the way TRA's use the fight for gay rights and women's rights to legitimise their arguments.

Almost as if they have nothing of their own.

I really feel for trans people caught in the middle of all this. You're not doing them any favours.[/quote]
It has everything to do with you trying to stamp out gender non-conformity, by forcefully shoving trans people back into a box that they do not want to be in.

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CuriousPanda · 14/07/2021 22:34

@chickenyhead

I don't have a gender identity to align. If I did, I would be non-binary agender.
Do you use feminine labels like "woman" to refer to yourself? If yes, that's your gender identity.
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Wildgarlicpesto · 14/07/2021 22:34

Many different ways to be a woman?

Tell us what the many different ways to be a woman are please?

chickenyhead · 14/07/2021 22:35

Woman is my sex panda.

That's the truth.

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