Does anyone ever wonder how this will end?

[dyslek]

I can see three scenarios.

1. women lose and we end up living in some nightmarish high tec version of ancient Rome, where woman and children is a sub human resource to be exploited in anyway a man wants at an given moment.
2. the mass hysteria quietly dies down and every kind of pretents this was never a thing (and in fact it was only those nasty feminists making a fuss that caused all this misunderstanding in the first place).
3. due to the sheer insanity of gender idology, society slowly starts to listen to women and the horror of the unfairness wakes everyone up to womans humanity and gender stereotypes and finally totally abandoned and we all live happly ever after.

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

But! But! I have shiny new ideas! Shiny new ideas GOOD! Surely you want them? How can you not??

How to explain to a True Believer that what they see as these wonderful shiny new ideas, I just see as the same old patriarchal shit wrapped up in shiny paper?

No, I don’t want a bite of your shit sandwich, no matter how many frilly ribbons you’ve put on it. It’s still a shit sandwich.

Wow, such an eloquent post. How could you fail to convince anyone of your point of view. A really well rounded and informative comment, well done you

I remember being very disturbed when I was just peaking and came across pictures of Stefonknee Wolscht. It was totally different from the trans movement that had been portrayed to me before. I think the Hubbard Olympic affair (in early August) will lead to similar moments for a lot of previous allies to the movement: more left liberals (influential writers, journalists, comedians, etc.) will be led to consider GC beliefs as they realise what the opposite really looks like.

In addition: I think a lot of previous staunchly pro-trans Gen Z-ers take pride in having surprising, edgy views, so I'm holding out hope for a new wave of GC radfems on Tiktok - there's already a big community of young radfems on Tumblr, but it's hard to find new converts as usership of the website has dropped a lot in the past few years.

Previously, the trans lobby and their adjacents have been very successful at minimising the struggles of gay men and older women, insulting 'cis white gays' and 'Karens'. If this actually gets extended to transgenderism itself (think social media rants from even woker beings about 'privileged white trans people'), then perhaps trans/nonbinary will become less of a cool thing to be.

Basically I'm optimistic about the next five years (have been GC for five already, I think this is a good number in which to measure change). I think the social-contagion aspect will have cooled down a lot, with youth referrals slowing down, by 2026, meaning less young girls transition. At that point the main visible transitioners will be male AGPs, and there'll be more Keira Bell-esque news stories, neither of which are good representation for the movement at all.

A really well rounded and informative comment, well done you

Yes, I thought so too!

A really well rounded and informative comment, well done you

Yes, I thought so too!

It's all just arrogance and bluster and fake news. It passes for an argument on Twitter, but not here, where you have to elaborate on your comments.

'"Women are physically weaker, any ordinary male can easily beat an extraordinary woman"
"Women are defined by their capacity to give birth"
"It is essential that our society remains segregated by sex."

You believe in things that feminists have historically fought against. Do you really think it's a coincidence your views on trans issues are largely backed by anti-feminist social conservatives?'

Sooooo

When women are sexually attacked by men they could fight them off if only they tried harder.
The reason they don't is because women have lied to them and made them believe they in general are not as big or strong as men and so those women are responsible ultimately for all the male on female sexual violence in the world... Ever? Must be otherwise makes no sense.

Rape is used as a weapon of war. Rape can result in pregnancy which is hardly trivial. Where abortion is not available, girls pregnant from incest have to give birth which can be very damaging to their bodies.

Well those views seem fine to me...

In short.

Globally men are not any kind of particular brisk to women, if only women would stop thinking like victims (or something).

Rape is not in any way a bigger deal, risk of pregnancy is irrelevant.

So everything globally should be mixed sex.

Well ok.

In some countries there are VERY strict rules about sex segregation. I imagine you'll want to tackle those first. Where are you going to start?

Wow, such an eloquent post.
How could you fail to convince anyone of your point of view.
A really well rounded and informative comment, well done you

Coming from you, soulman, that means so much

back atcha, Eresh

You believe in things that feminists have historically fought against.

Lying again, Panda?

Quelle surprise.

What type of person has a vested interest in denying the very real material differences between male and female human bodies, and the way those material differences have been used and exploited by the male sex (as a class) to control, oppress and abuse the female sex (as a class) in an endless variety of ways since the beginning of recorded time?

What type of person? Hmm?

Panda’’s bullshit reminds me of those MRAs back in the 70’s (they were called MCPs back then) who said that if women weren’t able to do absolutely everything men could do that meant we really were inferior and didn’t deserve equal rights.

So you had a tennis match between a man and a woman and when the woman lost it was “proof” that men were superior.

There was no room for the idea that women and men could have different physical capacities and therefore different needs while still having the same fundamental, intrinsic worth as human beings. While still being equally deserving of the same human rights.

Panda’s post is straight out of that playbook. Starts with the same assumption that relative physical vulnerability = inferiority. True MRA warrior.

(Interestingly in those heady days there was never any notion of men having to prove they were just as good as women. Men have never been derided or belittled for the fact they are definitively incapable of creating new life within their bodies, in the way that women have been derided and belittled for being weaker in terms of brute force, for the average women being generally incapable of overpowering the average man. As Panda has effectively done here.

Almost like the whole of society is and has been predicated upon this notion of implicit male superiority, which someone like Panda is really very comfortable with.)

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark
I'm literally opposed to the notion that "women are inherently weaker, I'm opposed to the constant assertions of male physical superiority that you^ keep making.

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark
What type of person has a vested interest in denying the very real material differences between male and female human bodies,

You could literally take this one straight from a pre-2015 anti-feminist MRA rant. "How unreasonable these feminists are to not recognize that women are inferior".

Now you're making that very same MRA argument, but pretending it's feminist instead, and that it's those who deny women's supposed physical inferiority are the "MRAs" instead.

@CuriousPanda

On what are you basing your assertion that there’s no physical strength difference between males and females? Do you have any actual proof or is this in fact an ideological assertion you assume must be true because your beliefs demand it is so?

(Note I say “strength difference” not “superiority”. Despite your repeated attempts to put the word into others’ mouths, the only poster equating male strength with male superiority on this thread is you.)

I'm opposed to the constant assertions of male physical superiority that you keep making.

Well yeah, I think it’s a bugger, too, but it’s one of those inconvenient facts.

I’m opposed to women getting periods, and pregnancies, and the damn menopause when smug blokes don’t have too, as well.

I don’t think that biology is going to pay much attention to any of that though.

And physical differences do not make us less worthy, less human or less valuable, as other posters are pointing out.

Panda’’s bullshit reminds me of those MRAs back in the 70’s (they were called MCPs back then) who said that if women weren’t able to do absolutely everything men could do that meant we really were inferior and didn’t deserve equal rights.

So you had a tennis match between a man and a woman and when the woman lost it was “proof” that men were superior.

There was no room for the idea that women and men could have different physical capacities and therefore different needs while still having the same fundamental, intrinsic worth as human beings. While still being equally deserving of the same human rights.

Panda’s post is straight out of that playbook. Starts with the same assumption that relative physical vulnerability = inferiority. True MRA warrior.

This. Such a perfect explanation.

'TalkingtoLangClegintheDark
I'm literally opposed to the notion that "women are inherently weaker^, I'm opposed to the constant assertions of male physical superiority that you keep making.'

As I mentioned on the other thread.

You believe that women all over the world and through history in any situations have only been brutalised because of a belief that are weaker...

That without that belief major atrocities would not have happened?

The rape of Berlin
DRC
Comfort women
Etc.

Rape as a weapon of war is down to women feeling they are overpowered and that's a psychological limitation?

You think that women being gang raped, watching their daughters being gang raped.. they never bother fighting?

Or is it only one on one you're thinking of.

If only the woman recently murdered by s serial sex offender had s different mindset eh. She wouldn't be dead.

Do you REALLY HONESTLY believe what you're saying?

Panda has fixed interpretations of words that are bound up with negative emotions so can't read or interpret a word in it's emotionally neutral form.

So "fetish" is shameful despite mutually consenting adults on FetLife not feeling shameful, and some finding the shame a positive sexual experience a la Grayson Perry. Panda assigns negative shame to anyone mentioning fetish despite the explicit inclusion of transvestites in the trans community, thereby capturing Stonewall/Beaumont et al in pandas shameful bigot net.

The same goes for female versus male physical capacity, which is simply a neutral objective reality which has perfectly rational legal discrimination exemptions, panda can only read this as a negative criticism of women (despite actually wanting the exemptions to apply to them too).

As mentioned earlier there's a lot of very confused thinking.

I’m hoping we can get round to sex and gender identity being completely different things. It is the basis of being trans after all.

So, in an ideal world we’d reach the point where: people live their best lives expressing their gender however they feel while sex is respected and different biological needs catered for.

People accept trans women (&trans men) for who they are and they happily use toilets etc. of their sex because everyone knows that ‘male’ or ‘female’ is not a judgement, just a biological fact.

All males are fully accepting of other males expressing themselves however they wish so no one is afraid or abused.

I don’t think I can take anyone seriously who doesn’t accept as a material reality that women on the whole are smaller and weaker than men. It’s flat earth territory.

Women are not inferior

But they are statistically physically weaker

They are capable of giving birth.

Not inferior just different

Respect and accept the true differences

but don't add value judgement and additional made up differences

Is that really hard?

Its hard for a misognyists, yes.

@midgemagneto

Women are not inferior

But they are statistically physically weaker

They are capable of giving birth.

Not inferior just different

Respect and accept the true differences

but don't add value judgement and additional made up differences

Is that really hard?

Now if only people could also respect and accept trans women in spite of the differences...