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Article about WiSpa incident *title edited by MNHQ*

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CoconutGlaze · 09/07/2021 00:11

www.losangelesblade.com/2021/07/07/alleged-trans-incident-at-upscale-la-spa-may-have-been-staged/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&cf_chl_jschl_tk=5829536c8d2fa7597130f41074d1ff4ddc091aee-1625785481-0-AcMexoncOasqbydtxZLnvW3kf86pvnmRUcmnFRJO3kDQTTPi3WE1pqsYEciE_bUv0_NrLqCEBB07kbXA9xARnFe7KkItHOoJesYdjEC6fhZlzSdZR5jNea3Hx86Run4GtO5awEU3NnavY0JvTjYrnAVNCm8tEidf1SMMw3N5siRBk8qD1VNkFgE5cpMkcjvQeRQOADtTSBAxPmJBCYcnt9-8vGTpjCqttCRHPJpNcOTVZ1yeJUoMKwXTMHx6TYPRXfLtl9iMGeP4hL9uTYPEGTlrpO9oNuwAKavdw2-gxpOKI_xUiq2v9Du5DREcmzRyp0Hbw663FPxWtUH30wzqS_uBK7ghaCwgVJq80Jqm_6IrKuwhmZZ8v63Pz43HNOLM_Z_LDzQaSLaudEQf8hcoUFVdcbQMtr1ZG0MPaesDmdB4iEDbdrdpR_yjmAZ0Pv1v151venXcbcYpUYyEtdcU8_kRH-iv2XYtf7vdtY_vfuu3DyzzvhXUk31-zNSYJlPMkVbHzQkZkuQMw4yQy7XsOSaoMPKRTgsJORo6DtRdu5NMqMu8190zks0sRxJeosg8KWSjnO33FKQXycbDay-9eGQagXI2tsfaurfG3jb2p3SV-f8fzRSwfCOf8C9-TmWrow#Echobox=1625710145

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NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 18:44

'when they were using the spa the staff did inform any female customers as they entered that there was a transwoman currently using the spa.'

That doesn't sound right at all.

It's legal. TWAW. Why would they do that? Telling women like that is really discriminatory. Because they're not treating them the same as the other women. If found out I think the transwoman could sue.

OhHolyJesus · 10/07/2021 18:46

If a spa receptionist informed me that a trans woman was using the female section I might understand that to mean:

  • a woman who considered herself the opposite sex was using the spa because she is trans identified - and as a female she would be expected to use the section that aligns to her sex and that might be her preference.
  • a man who has had genital surgery to have his penis removed following extensive therapy (male transsexual)

If you weren't up to date with the most recent lingo, you might think this was a transvestite.

(Clearly the person in the spa that was complained about and has claimed responsibility, is neither of the above.)

If the spa receptionists were informing female guests as they arrived, they should do so before they paid and they should use explicitly clear language so they can make an informed decision. I would put money on the mother who took her 9 year old daughter into that section of the spa was not informed or for argument's sake, let's say she was, she didn't expect a fully genitally-intact male to be naked, and certainly not in front of her daughter with a semi-erect penis.

Some might have had the Be Kind approach but expected the male to use a private changing room and not to be dick-swinging. I would have expected any males who have even the smallest amount of respect for women and children, to use the men's, and to do this so to avoid accusations of sexual assault or child sexual abuse apart from anything else.

NecessaryScene · 10/07/2021 18:47

Now I might be dim, but I find it strange that she'd be told about the man, pay her money and then demand it back again because she hears the complaints about the man.

Well, this is one of the few alleged things that could make sense - someone not fully aware of the state of things might have not been bothered by hearing about a "transwoman", not realising this could involve cock-and-balls. Or even that that meant male, rather than female. They might have assumed it meant female-with-wispy-beard-and-low-voice. But then when they heard the complaints...

However, seeing as the only person I've seen asserting the prewarning nugget is someone who now isn't sure the incident occurred, I think it's not worth dwelling on. I think any resemblance to plausibility is coincidental.

OhHolyJesus · 10/07/2021 18:49

Sorry that was long.

My question is:

If the spa cannot deny access to the female section due to discrimination based in gender identity, can the victim and her family prosecute for the assault?

It's more of a criminal issue than a discrimination issue IYSWIM. I don't understand why the person hasn't been arrested. Presenting a naked penis, semi/erect or not, to a child is still child abuse right?

dyslek · 10/07/2021 18:49
BaronMunchausen · 10/07/2021 18:52

[quote Etorih]@MargaritaPie Do you think it's ok for a male (however they identify) to expose their cock and balls to women and children? Is it?[/quote]
@MargaritaPie
appears to have already answered in the affirmative:

“Transpeople do exist and they do make use of facilities that don't discriminate against them. Yes like it or not, this happens.”

Etorih · 10/07/2021 18:53

The woman speaks up about a male with his cock next to her daughter's face, and she gets deleted off twitter? These men really want to silence the truth don't they.

dyslek · 10/07/2021 18:59

Just found out Precious child is the name of Buffalo Bills dog in Silence of the Lambs.Talk about in plain sight.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 10/07/2021 19:02

dyslek I actually have no words

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 19:09

OhHolyJesus- no.

It's a naked spa. That would mean all the women there, and all the men in the male spa, were committing indecent exposure.

ScreamingMeMe · 10/07/2021 19:10

Ewwww. I saw some of their social media posts and was getting strong creeper vibes anyway, but that's given me chills. I see they are also Antifa and not averse to a bit of violence.

Even if they are not the person who was in the spa that day (and there is no real evidence they are, and they could well be using the incident for self publicity and to stir things up), I don't think they should be in close proximity to women and children when they are vulnerable.

Datun · 10/07/2021 19:10

@Floisme

I haven't made any comment on whether I personally think this alleged incident is a hoax or not. Well among many other things, you have said this: For what it's worth, the transwoman who used the spa did inform the staff beforehand they were trans, and when they were using the spa the staff did inform any female customers as they entered that there was a transwoman currently using the spa. You did say that didn't you? Are you now saying it didn't happen?
Honestly it's like living in a parallel universe.

X equals Y

You're saying X equals Y?

Nooo, I never said that.

But...but

I said X equals Y!!

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 19:13

Precious child surely is used in many many ways.

Lots of names for children mean precious. Posters commonly say their child is precious. Precious itself is hardly an uncommon name!

Additionally. The dog was called precious. Just precious.

It must be a while since you saw the film? Not worth a quick Google?

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 19:14

Oh you said you just found out.

Where from? It's always a good idea to check stuff tbh. Esp before posting a post like that!

Sophoclesthefox · 10/07/2021 19:14

Yes, the name of the dog was “Precious”.

It doesn’t help to make things up.

Let’s leave that to the people who have to do that to cover the gaps in their positions.

Datun · 10/07/2021 19:19

dyslek

Bloody hell. I want to say it's unbelievable. But it isn't, at all. Even the young woman's state senator to whom she complained dismissed her concerns.

Her YouTube comments are being deleted, and Twitter have kicked her off.

I hope the press picks up on this.

It's like a fucking police state, but social media are the police.

All these awful men are complicit.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2021 19:21

It's like a fucking police state, but social media are the police.

All these awful men are complicit.

I agree.

OhHolyJesus · 10/07/2021 19:26

In case readers don't realise this is satire this says 'humour' at the top (or to be specific 'humour' without the u as it's from spectator world).

https://spectatorworld.com/life/rude-stare-woman-penis-locker-room-spa/amp/?fbclid=IwAR0ERHgR-iPzrz2IlTPvwtLmeZL3e6Gm77_UDETRxJO7My4iAHHuIi5Z394

ScreamingMeMe · 10/07/2021 19:41

@Etorih

Ooh! Who was that poster that kept linking to NHS pages that, without fail, said the opposite of what they claimed?

Ooh, let me think, did their name begin with A? AS something? Self declared educator and erm, influencer 🤔

Asugarr? Haven't seen them for quite a while
FloralBunting · 10/07/2021 19:44

Trying to keep up. Are we wheeling back around to it not being a hoax, it being fine for knobs out in front of kids because of the T word, and the main problem is that the women were too assertive in complaining?

Jesus christ I can't keep up.

Noncery = fine.
Complaining about noncery too loudly = bad.

Is that the current state of play? Is anyone keeping tabs on the changing situation? Cos it looks like wild swinging panic to me...

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 10/07/2021 20:02

Noncery = fine.
Complaining about noncery too loudly = bad.

You missed a bit: complaining about noncery incites male violence and it's your fault, women! Put up and shut up as per the last several millennia!

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 10/07/2021 20:18

i think it's

  1. only bigots object to males exposing themselves to women and children if the male in question identifies as trans (and don't ask how you tell bigot)

  2. actually that's not going too well, so let's try 'it never happened'

  3. actually it's really obvious that it did happen, so let's try an oldie but a goodie - it was all a woman's fault

any advances on that?

dyslek · 10/07/2021 20:20

Sorry for this last one, it might be a difficult listen, but its important.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/07/2021 20:20

Yes Bernard, don't forget that the women were told about the male in there as they were entering the spa, so it's totally weird that they then made such a fuss.

NecessaryScene · 10/07/2021 20:33

any advances on that?

In the comments to the press conference YouTube video, I see a claim that the report to the police (which we have been told never occurred) turned out to be false. confused

This is all getting a bit too Philip K Dick for my taste. I prefer my realities to be a little more... stable and not self-constructed.

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