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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbian women thrown out of German Dyke March

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OvaHere · 08/07/2021 15:33

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Germany, Cologne, July 3.

Six women were thrown out from #DykeMarchCologne for carrying signs that criticized #SelfID, #CompelledSpeech and one particularly shaped sign that said #LesbiansDontHavePenises.

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BatmansBat · 09/07/2021 07:27

This extract is from transgendertrend. It is about what Diversity Role Models Teach young children in state and private schools.

I’ll be referring to their worksheet for staff training which gives a good idea of what DRM preaches. They start with LGBT+ definitions. Lesbian is defined as “a woman who is attracted to other women” while gay is “a man OR a woman who is attracted to people of the same sex.” In one blow the word lesbian has been redefined. Lesbians are no longer same sex oriented but are “attracted to other women” so in theory this can include men who “identify” as women

www.transgendertrend.com/diversity-role-models-conformity-new-ideology/

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 09/07/2021 09:03

I actually did think that 'gay' was another word for homosexual @BatmansBat
DD refers to herself as gay.

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 09/07/2021 09:15

I see what you mean though having read it again. Crikey!

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 09/07/2021 09:16

This whole thing is insidious isn't it?

Shedbuilder · 09/07/2021 09:17

You're right, Skybluepinkgiraffe. I call myself a lesbian or dyke but lots of women who are sexually attracted to other women prefer to call themselves gay instead of lesbian. The 'gay ladies' as some self-describe tend to be the kind who easily pass as straight. IME many like to keep a distance from those of us who don't conform to gender stereotypes. I think some younger women, too, think of 'lesbian' as the kind of insult hurled from passing cars, or a porn category. They tend to go with 'gay' too. 'Gay' is 'naicer'.

It would be interesting to know whether 'gay' women are predominantly in the trans ally camp. Dykes certainly seem to form the core of the GC lesbian movement. Get the L Out etc aren't 'gay ladies'!

FloralBunting · 09/07/2021 09:28

Fwiw, in every day conversation, I will sometimes use gay about myself. But I also use lesbian, and probably more. It's interesting, you do tend to feel more instinctive recoil from people when you say lesbian, perhaps because it has been so thoroughly co-opted as a porn category. But the more it's reclaimed, the less that will happen.
I use lesbian, gay, homosexual and sonetimes same-sex attracted/oriented if I'm underlining that aspect.

The only word I absolutely won't use, and will push back very hard on, is 'queer'. I mostly call it the Qslur because to be perfectly honest, it should be treated like the N word, and become something you just don't say in public unless you want to highlight yourself as an ignorant dick or an open homophobe.

Findwen · 09/07/2021 09:57

Doesn't 'homo' in latin mean 'Man' though ? (i.e. homo sapien -- thinking man)

So a homo sexual women prefers men ?

Shedbuilder · 09/07/2021 10:05

@Findwen

Doesn't 'homo' in latin mean 'Man' though ? (i.e. homo sapien -- thinking man)

So a homo sexual women prefers men ?

Is that supposed to be funny?

There's no escaping patriarchy embedded in our language. Which is why a lot of lesbians prefer the phrase 'same-sex attracted'.

Findwen · 09/07/2021 10:13

Wasn't meant to be an attempt at being funny - more of a point since language was being discussed.

According to wikipedia in latin homo does mean 'man' however in Greek 'homo' means "same, identical" so it does work.

FloralBunting · 09/07/2021 10:19

I'd always go with the Greek. But then I'm rather fond of the idea of being a Sapphic when I'm being terrifically pretentious and writing love poetry.Wink

MarianneUnfaithful · 09/07/2021 10:28

@Findwen

Doesn't 'homo' in latin mean 'Man' though ? (i.e. homo sapien -- thinking man)

So a homo sexual women prefers men ?

It’s from the Greek homo meaning ‘same’.

Consistent with such words as homogenous, homophone etc.

FloralBunting · 09/07/2021 10:33

Findwen the etymology of homosexual is the same as heterosexual. Hetero means other, homo means same. Language is complicated and layered, of course, but I think we run into problems when try and divorce things from context, as we see happens with cis etc.

TheDinosaurMum · 09/07/2021 13:54

@Shedbuilder

You're right, Skybluepinkgiraffe. I call myself a lesbian or dyke but lots of women who are sexually attracted to other women prefer to call themselves gay instead of lesbian. The 'gay ladies' as some self-describe tend to be the kind who easily pass as straight. IME many like to keep a distance from those of us who don't conform to gender stereotypes. I think some younger women, too, think of 'lesbian' as the kind of insult hurled from passing cars, or a porn category. They tend to go with 'gay' too. 'Gay' is 'naicer'.

It would be interesting to know whether 'gay' women are predominantly in the trans ally camp. Dykes certainly seem to form the core of the GC lesbian movement. Get the L Out etc aren't 'gay ladies'!

I suppose I could fit in to the catagory of younger (early 30's) "straight looking" "feminine" women. I however say I'm a lesbian. Not sure why but I just never really say "I'm gay" no idea why. Always said if asked "I'm a lesbian". I however am GC , as a ex professional athlete and a survivor of DV I oppose any attempt to eradicate women's safe places.

I also don't care who knows, but not many people pick a fight with me in RL I'm often referred to as "maleficent" as a nickname 😂😂

PurpleHoodie · 09/07/2021 14:03

I mean call me crazy everyone knows what a lesbian is, yes?

Yes.

Everyone, in every culture, in every country in the world understands what a lesbian is.

TheDinosaurMum · 09/07/2021 14:07

@PurpleHoodie

I mean call me crazy everyone knows what a lesbian is, yes?

Yes.

Everyone, in every culture, in every country in the world understands what a lesbian is.

Indeed, I go out on a night out a few straight men will try and flirt or whatever, I just say "sorry I'm flattered but I'm a lesbian" they just sorta go "oh shit, are you? Sorry" and understand I'm not after cock.

So if your average straight guy can understand we don't like penises why can't a select few penis owners. Baffled ....

PurpleHoodie · 09/07/2021 14:11

Dinosaur

Indeed.

Shedbuilder · 09/07/2021 15:31

Good on you, Maleficent TheDinosaurMum! Didn't intend to imply that every younger or more traditionally feminine-looking lesbian prefers 'gay', but there are certainly some groups within my social circle which describe themselves as being for 'gay ladies' or 'gay girls' (horses for courses, but that one makes me shudder) and, on the whole, they tend to appeal to the more conventional or discreet end of the lesbian spectrum. It would be great if more women felt able to describe themselves as lesbians without shame/ embarrassment or whatever it is that necessitates a euphemism.

I'm delighted to hear that there are men who, when told you are a lesbian, apologise for bothering you!

TheDinosaurMum · 09/07/2021 16:26

Shedbuilder I have to be honest in my area, most men are rather polite, you get the odd knob head sure. But in Wales we tend to run matriarchal families nan's tend to be head of families or mum's. We do seem to produce mummies boys 😂 mine certainly is! My brother is one also. And by default then they tend to be a bit softer/sincere to women as a whole. But again there's always the the odd twat 🙄

MishyJDI · 10/07/2021 11:02

@OffYouGoNow

I don't understand. Are transwomen wanting to be lesbians now? If they want to get with women, wouldn't that make them straight men? And what lesbian would want to get together with a man? And what straight man would want to get together with a transwoman? I'm very confused. What is it that they actually want?.....

Welcome to the brave new world. Forcing lesbians into sexual relations with men is now a progressive cause.

Rubbish. No-one is forcing anyone into any type of relationship. Last time I looked, an individual can still choose who they wish to go to bed with.

These women were expelled for being anti-inclusive at pride events, which are inclusive by nature. Hate has no place at Pride. It's what the LGBT+ community have been fighting for years - lesbians included.

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 11:09

Lesbian = Adult Human Female solely Attracted to other Adult Human Females.

If you see hatred in that, you need your head examining.

ScreamingMeMe · 10/07/2021 11:15

Aaaand here's another one.

ScreamingMeMe · 10/07/2021 11:20

Rubbish. No-one is forcing anyone into any type of relationship. Last time I looked, an individual can still choose who they wish to go to bed with.

A lot are having a bloody good go at it though! Does a lesbian have to be raped before you concede that there might be a problem here?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4188099-Evidence-of-TRA-Gender-Idealogue-Homophobia?watched=1&msgid=108949767#108949767

ScreamingMeMe · 10/07/2021 11:29

Actually: did that disturbing TikTok video where a young lesbian appeared to have gone through conversion theory get discussed on here? That was horrible.

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 11:31

Yes.

Transgenderist led gay conversion therapy.

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