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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Helen Webberley

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Signalbox · 05/07/2021 11:59

Looks like Helem Webberley's substantive case has finally been listed for 26th July 2021

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-helen-webberley-jul-21

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R0wantrees · 25/07/2021 22:19

It's not a trial but a GMC hearing, I'm not sure what the protocols are however it's clear that Webberley and Oakes are hoping to "get" press.

LizzieSiddal · 25/07/2021 22:58

“I told her to come back the next week and I’d evaluate her myself. It was really easy, there wasn’t a problem.”

I presume she’d had a lot of experiences “evaluating” trans people, for her to come to the conclusion that it was “easy”. If she hadn’t got any experience, then it’s very telling that she found it “easy”.

Changechangychange · 26/07/2021 00:14

She seems to think the tribunal is a platform to promote her beliefs

This. I agree with PPs, there is absolutely zero chance of her not being struck off (the only way to avoid it would have been for her to grovel and say she had been misguided but had now seen the error of her ways, and she would have needed to do that from day one). The GMC hates lack of insight/remorse, and they come down far heavier on you if you don’t look particularly repentant.

And yes this is not about what she was or wasn’t prescribing, it’s about lack of oversight/engagement with revalidation/inadequate framework for monitoring of patients. Wheeling out grateful patients has zero bearing on that. The GMC are also not stupid, and will be well aware of GenderGP’s activities in Spain, and will see that as an aggravating factor.

She is giving loads of interviews etc to try to increase awareness of her services on the back of all of this free publicity. If she can chance the narrative from “I’m a sloppy doctor who fails to adequately assess patients” to “hey everybody if you want puberty blockers, I hand them out like smarties to anyone who wants them”, she will make more money, simple as that. She is definitely getting struck off either way, might as well make some cash while she’s at it.

And no I have no idea what has possessed her husband, but then I had no idea what possessed Andrew Wakefield, successful and respected consultant gastroenterologist at leading London teaching hospital either. Plenty of private income opportunities in Hampstead if you want to make money. But instead he went completely mental.

FloralBunting · 26/07/2021 01:28

She has the moral and ethical integrity of the leech she is.

Signalbox · 26/07/2021 06:56

Is she allowed to talk about an upcoming trial? I thought that was usually a big no no?

Registrants can do as they please but it could backfire. As change says, lack of insight is a massive issue and the interviews highlight the fact that she has zero insight. This makes her dangerous as a clinician so she won’t be going back to work anytime soon.

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highame · 26/07/2021 07:52

Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare

Leafstamp · 26/07/2021 08:14

The latest from Danial Webb (yet another horror story):

mobile.twitter.com/DanialWebb/status/1419553713199452160

rogdmum · 26/07/2021 08:17

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Interestingly Mermaids are still recommending them...
LGBT Youth Scotland also appear to be quite enthusiastic supporters of GenderGP

twitter.com/rogdmum/status/1418538609846673408?s=21

Leafstamp · 26/07/2021 08:18

[quote highame]Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare[/quote]
The have sadly. According to this list:

sex-matters.org/stonewall-champions-list/

But let’s remember as per above, this is is not specifically about trans healthcare. They will be looking at the technicalities from a healthcare and safeguarding perspective.

Signalbox · 26/07/2021 08:55

[quote highame]Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare[/quote]
I don’t think we need to worry about stonewall in this case. The panel members are independent decision makers and multiple interim order committees have kept an interim suspension order in place over the last few years to protect the public until the hearing could take place. Also the GMC have brought the case so they will be arguing that there was misconduct and that HW’s fitness to practice is impaired.

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Signalbox · 26/07/2021 08:58

Live tweets today from this account for anyone interested…

mobile.twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1419558589648277511

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corkernewyorker · 26/07/2021 09:08

Cheers Signalbox just came on to see if there was a way to follow today.

dratalanta · 26/07/2021 09:30

Anyone know why Ian Stern QC is described by tribunaltweets as "Doctor representing Helen Webberley"?

He specialises in cases of medical negligence and also in medical professional tribunals, but he isn't (I think) a medical doctor.

RedDeerRunning · 26/07/2021 09:33

[quote highame]Bloody hell, just had a thought, the GMC haven't been stonewalled have they? Can't find a logo on their website and this link shows a quality statement which is as it should be. Fingers crossed. www.gmc-uk.org/ethical-guidance/ethical-hub/trans-healthcare[/quote]
They have been completely and utterly captured with absolutely no insight into the degree of their own capture. Part of the reason this abomination has been permitted to continue.
They are Stonewall champions.
Their favoured activist group is the LGBT fdn.
They had mermaids in for training as recently as 2020.

An organisation not fit for purpose.

WarriorN · 26/07/2021 09:34

Good , I can follow this all day. V important tribunal.

RipX has pointed out that the RT and sharing of a tweeter who reported on certain ball waxing issue helped to make it global news and that Danial is doing similar re GenderGP, exposing many stories. So if on Twitter pls RT and share.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/07/2021 10:04

@dratalanta

Anyone know why Ian Stern QC is described by tribunaltweets as "Doctor representing Helen Webberley"?

He specialises in cases of medical negligence and also in medical professional tribunals, but he isn't (I think) a medical doctor.

I noticed that. Slip of the keyboard, I think.
Zeugma · 26/07/2021 10:37

The twitter thread has paused....looks as though Ian Stern QC (for HW) is saying they had inadequate time to prepare......

PronounssheRa · 26/07/2021 10:41

Webberleys reps are complaining about the lack of time they have had to prepare and they state they have had difficulty with defence experts.

RedDogsBeg · 26/07/2021 10:44

they state they have had difficulty with defence experts.

What difficulties would they be? Couldn't they find any to support them?

PronounssheRa · 26/07/2021 10:46

@RedDogsBeg

they state they have had difficulty with defence experts.

What difficulties would they be? Couldn't they find any to support them?

I did wonder.

Webberleys rep He doesn’t wish to “burden the GMC” with difficulties, but he wants to make them known

RedDogsBeg · 26/07/2021 10:52

He doesn’t wish to “burden the GMC” with difficulties, but he wants to make them known

Get the excuses in early.

AfternoonToffee · 26/07/2021 11:11

Maybe should have spent time preparing then Helen instead of giving media interviews.

Melroses · 26/07/2021 11:13

@AfternoonToffee

Maybe should have spent time preparing then Helen instead of giving media interviews.
Yes they seem to have thoroughly prepared for the media.
WarriorN · 26/07/2021 11:31

Going to call Pasterski, who is absolutely deluded.

WarriorN · 26/07/2021 11:32

Vickie Pasterski: What is the essence of gender? https://www.ted.com/talks/vickiepasterskiiwhatisstheessenceeofgender

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