Prisons Judicial Review: Judgement

[KeepPrisonsSingleSex]

It's finally here...
The judgement in the prisons judicial review R (FDJ) v SSJ
will be handed down by email at 10.30 am today...

Here is a reminder of what it was about:

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/judicial-review-campaign-update

@NotAlwaysWrong

The conflation of Gender and Sex - and the idea that thinking yourself a different gender automatically changes your sex - is where the fucking rot set in here. I can’t believe what I’m reading. Is this truly the law?

So, what happens now because this CANNOT be allowed to stand.

I expect what happens is what happens with all historical atrocities committed against women. It continues to happen for many years, decades even with people denying and dismissing the truth.

The harms perpetuated will grow bigger and bigger, some women will probably die. Then eventually one day it will be finally to big to ignore and then the handwringing will begin along with all the op-eds about 'how could this happen?' and 'lessons learned'.

Ah, I see. Not enough women have been raped and killed yet to justify inconvieniencing men.

If this is justice, I'm a banana. This is where we are, it's disgusting.

Arseholes. Well at least they've made it very clear how little they care about women.

And the exposure this brings to this appalling dismissal of women's rights to be safe will be a good thing.

The MoJ needs to be pressure into publishing their criteria for deciding whether a male person is of no risk, or when that risk is acceptable.

Given the legal systems reluctance to see, let alone prosecute for rape and sexual assault, I'm not holding my breath.

@dyslek

Ah, I see. Not enough women have been raped and killed yet to justify inconvieniencing men.

I don't know that those 'subjective' experiences of women will be enough to outweight the far more important legal rights of males.

@moreofthisagain

FFS. Had a feeling it would end up going this way, still shit though. Gave it a skim and saw bits about oh the data, the data is too small blah blah blah

The data on male violence against women is not small though is it?

And all women who are assaulted by the move from sex segregated to gender segregated spaces are women who have ONLY been assaulted because of that move. They would NOT have been assaulted under sex segregation.

Women's bodies and bodily autonomy are not collateral damage.

Last night I rewatched Shirley Chisolm's speech when she sought the Democratic Party's Presidential Nomination. Her campaign slogan was Unbought and unbossed - she argued for the need for women and especially black women to be visible in politics. The YT of her speech is embedded in this article.

www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/unbought-and-unbossed-when-black-woman-ran-for-the-white-house-180958699/

Direct YT link to speech:

The speech stresses that the concerns of some groups will never be listened to, nor addressed, when they're absent from all places where policies are made (I'm paraphrasing). I'm deeply troubled that so many women politicians are prepared to support this abuse of women in plain sight. We need GC voices in policy-making - at a time when some people are trying to have them removed.

It is worth remembering at thia point who has been training the judiciary...

@NotAlwaysWrong

The conflation of Gender and Sex - and the idea that thinking yourself a different gender automatically changes your sex - is where the fucking rot set in here. I can’t believe what I’m reading. Is this truly the law?

So, what happens now because this CANNOT be allowed to stand.

This is exactly the crux. Legally, we need 'sex' and 'gender' to be crystal clear. We need absolutely watertight definitions that are clearly understood by everyone.

They need to be applied to every relevant policy and piece of legislation.

I've just read the judgement and a bit speedily, but although the claim itself is lost, there are some things in there that do not mean 'all is lost'. There is a lot of emphasis on reiterating the process and procedures and it may be that these have not been followed properly. There is also a requirement for proper figures to be kept.

It also looks as though the judgement says everyone's safety must be taken into account. In the case of sexual assualt and rape cases, these have to be held in a seperate wing (E) I think, which is in the women's estate but there are no links to the women.

Someone will put me right but just for the minute I'm not thinking all is lost though I think dials media stuff is spot on. This should get some traction

Ffs !!!! What happens now?

Feel a bit glum about this.

@OldTurtleNewShell

I haven't read it yet but I don't get it. How did we get to a point where it's legal to lock women in with sex offenders? Fuck me, but women's rights have a long way to go.

That isn't what it says. The policy expressly requires transgender women who pose a danger to other prisoners to be strictly separated. It's a matter of risk assessment. The statistics are interesting - between 2016 and 2019 there were 97 sexual assaults in women's prisons, of which 7 were committed by transgender women without a GRC. Those 7 assaults were unacceptable, but the 90 assaults by other women were equally unacceptable.

there were 97 sexual assaults in women's prisons…the 90 assaults by other women were equally unacceptable.

Were the assaults by fellow prisoners or were some of them by guards?

Those 7 assaults were unacceptable, but the 90 assaults by other women were equally unacceptable.

These 7 assaults were avoidable.

This is a fucking disgraceful judgment.

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

there were 97 sexual assaults in women's prisons…the 90 assaults by other women were equally unacceptable.

Were the assaults by fellow prisoners or were some of them by guards?

Or 'women' with a grc?

Or by transwomen with a GRC?

The harms perpetuated will grow bigger and bigger, some women will probably die. Then eventually one day it will be finally to big to ignore and then the handwringing will begin along with all the op-eds about 'how could this happen?' and 'lessons learned'.

You forgot to add, @OvaHere , the inevitable, "Why didn't the feminists do anything about it?"

Crosspost!

I think what makes me sickest is the shits who are going to slither in to defend this. Despicable human beings.

@TedImgoingmad

The harms perpetuated will grow bigger and bigger, some women will probably die. Then eventually one day it will be finally to big to ignore and then the handwringing will begin along with all the op-eds about 'how could this happen?' and 'lessons learned'.

You forgot to add, @OvaHere , the inevitable, "Why didn't the feminists do anything about it?"

Oh yes, of course.

Seven is too fucking many. Every one of those is a grave trauma which will stay with the victim forever. Let those that made this policy understand - you did this. You are responsible for the rape and sexual assault of women who were locked in with these animals.

Shame on you.

ok, for the record Im calling bullshit on the 'women sexually assult and rape other women.
I am a 54 yo working class woman who has lived in social housing in rough areas all my life, I have had woman relatives and friends who have gone to prison. Iv lived in womans refugees as a child and adult.

Iv grown up with drug dealers and criminals.
Iv been bullied by woman, beaten up by woman, made to feel like shit by woman but the one thing I have NEVER seen or heard of is woman sexually assulting each other.
IT DOES NOT FUCKING HAPPEN, it aint a thing, however much some men might want it to be.

The 97 other assualts might all have been trans women with GRC - they weren't necessarily all by actual women. They don't record the data when its a sexual assault by a transgender woman with a GRC.

We need demos outside prisons. This is shocking and disgraceful