Rosa Freedman told to 'Choose your words carefully'

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Article in Daily Mail

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Rosa Freedman has closed and re-opened her account on previous occasions. I hope this is one of them.

Otherwise, I deeply regret that I failed to archive every fabulous thread she wrote that caught my attention.

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Not sure - doesn’t it say suspended when they are on the naughty step?

Think you're right, pretty sure it says ''Account Suspended'' when they're banned.

I remember looking up RadFemLawyer and it was the same as the screenshot, saying the account didn't exist, but she was just on a break.

Hopefully Rosa is just having some time out.

When I got suspended - for the crime of the century (I answered a tweet by someone who said that a thief had pinched their rose bushes out of the garden, saying that I hope they thief got jagged and it hurt - I even said that I didn’t want them to get tetanus or anything really nasty) - they said it was a suspended account (until I pointed out that jagged was a perfectly normal scottish word for jab/prick).

I’m not even seeing a message a just a grey body with the ‘buffering’ icon.

I hope she reads this thread. Sick to death of men threatening women and getting away with it.

And if Reading University has got any sense, they will come out firmly on the side of their targeted member of staff.

And, on the off chance that anyone is reading this who has the ear of anyone in government, for crying out loud, sort out the weapon you've given students everywhere. Yanking their university's chains like there's no tomorrow. These idiotic little dictators are going to ruin this country's education system. Take the example of the North Korean girl, who managed to escape N Korea and ended up at an Ivy League university, only to claim it was more crazy than the universities back home!

I expected that I was paying this fortune, all this time and energy, to learn how to think. But they are forcing you to think the way they want you to think," Park said in an interview with Fox News. "I realized, wow, this is insane. I thought America was different but I saw so many similarities to what I saw in North Korea that I started worrying."

www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2021/june/north-korea-was-pretty-crazy-but-not-this-crazy-defector-says-ivy-league-indoctrination-worse-than-regime

For the love of God, can we get some adults back in charge please.

[quote GreenUp]Hope Rosa is okay. Loads of TRAs are piling on Reading Uni complaining about Rosa posting the student's email.

twitter.com/UniofReading/with_replies

Loads of TRA academics are milking this. Prof Sally Hines getting in on the abuse of Rosa...

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1410157074403803137?s=20
twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1410160633400774660?s=20[/quote]
It really is shocking to see academics just straight out lying.

Whether it was right to reveal the student's name is a legitimate matter for debate but describing the Email as "please can we talk" is an outrageous distortion. At best it was extremely unpleasant and rude.

It wasn't please can we talk. It was do you want to have a last ditch attempt at changing my mind, before I tell everyone how you are going to get this university accused of inequality.

And don't use the word you want to use. Use the words that might get you off the hook.

Argh. I really wish she'd kept his name and email address out of the picture. Because yes he's a domineering (adult) bloke throwing his weight around, absurdly implying he knows better than she does in spite of relative levels of education, experience, and thoughtful engagement; and also yes he's harassing her in her workplace and she would be well justified in taking steps to address that. I wouldn't pity him if Reading chucked him out off the back of this. I think also there's value in showing the content of the email as an example of the crap she and others like her are up against.

But I do think she was undoubtedly wrong to name and shame him like this. I think as an academic where he is a student, there is a duty of care there to not throw him to the wolves publicly when other avenues were available. Understandable, but very regrettable. I hope the consequences for her are not too great.

I completely disagree re the expected 'duty of care'
that some expect the Professor to have towards someone who has quite happily and proudly it seems sent such an ominous and threatening letter.

@Tanith

Fuck him. So fucking what if his email address and name are identifiable? He has threatened someone at their place if work, he deserves to be named and shamed. Good on RF for making it public.

@Tanith - it is absolutely victim blaming that you are now trying to criticise the prof for fighting back against threats sent to her by an adult bully. It’s sickening.

Do you think she deleted her account because people criticised her for doxxing and endangering a student?

Or was it because "gender critical" people assumed she was trans and criticised her appearance? twitter.com/Henriettaspoon/status/1410350303552094221?s=20

Is that even a real person? I have my doubts.

As do I toffee and it could also be if it is a actual person a TRA attempting to fuel fire....

I can't find that person on Twitter. So forgive me for scepticism.

Also yeahbutnaw gender critical feminists know exactly who Rosa Freedman is. She's famous.

[quote yeahbutnaw]Do you think she deleted her account because people criticised her for doxxing and endangering a student?

Or was it because "gender critical" people assumed she was trans and criticised her appearance? twitter.com/Henriettaspoon/status/1410350303552094221?s=20[/quote]
By 'people' you mean 'one person'?

40k tweets in just over 3 years. That’s pretty good going.

Go ask the person who made the Tweet: twitter.com/becklaxton/with_replies

They're a "gender critical" ideologist from the looks of it.

That’s not what I’ve done, FortunesFavour, so I can’t agree with you.
I can’t see anyone on this thread blaming Rosa Freedman or criticising her for fighting back.
Some of us are criticising the method she chose when there are other options available to her. This is because we work, or have worked, at universities and we understand the professional relationship a member of university staff should have with the students.
Using social media and a daily tabloid is not a recognised disciplinary procedure in any place of work.

Where has it been said that Professor Freedman has published his threats in order to discipline him?

Really Tanith? Maybe read back over your posts. Plenty of criticism from you of the professor for making the email address public. After she had received veiled threats from this charmer. Oh, and you also do a good line in “poor child, it’s not right that he was doxxed, she is in the wrong here”

I beg to differ. This is an adult male making barely disguised threats. I don’t think his email address deserves protection if he feels at complete liberty to use it in this manner and threaten women, then you claim he deserves anonymity. Looks a lot like victim blaming to me.

@FortunesFavour

Really Tanith? Maybe read back over your posts. Plenty of criticism from you of the professor for making the email address public. After she had received veiled threats from this charmer. Oh, and you also do a good line in “poor child, it’s not right that he was doxxed, she is in the wrong here”

I beg to differ. This is an adult male making barely disguised threats. I don’t think his email address deserves protection if he feels at complete liberty to use it in this manner and threaten women, then you claim he deserves anonymity. Looks a lot like victim blaming to me.

It's perfectly possible to hold the views that

a) the student was wrong and behaved badly
b) Professor Freedman is rightly alarmed and angry
and c) no Reading University employee should not have published an email from a student online in a bid to "name and shame" him

It's not victim blaming to say that being a victim of bullying and harassment does not give you carte blanche to extract justice by whatever means you choose.

I think Freedman's on the side of the angels, but she may well have contravened Reading's codes of conduct here and this treatment of a student is outside professional norms. She's said very clearly that she is feeling vulnerable and I can see why, and I hope Reading is looking after her - but I would also have expected them to ask her to take down the tweet / account while any enquiry is underway.

It really is time these nasty pieces of work were named and shamed. Twitter etc has allowed hatred because of concealment. This student never thought he would be publicly outed for the nasty little creep he is. His e-mail will be changed but personally I hope he is sent down as a lesson to students displaying this sort of behaviour.

It's all very well pontificating about this but Rosa has had years of incessant bullying - straw and camels back springs to mind.

Twitter etc has allowed hatred because of concealment

but also because it is a device for naming, shaming, and piling on. Calling out a public institution as Jess de Wahls did - no problem. Responding to a published comment or opinion - okay. Inviting others to criticise a named and identifiable individual who hasn't spoken out in public? That's a tactic I can't get behind if I oppose hatred on twitter. And there was a professional relationship to consider here too.