Rosa Freedman told to 'Choose your words carefully'

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Article in Daily Mail

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Mr Wareham insists he does not 'intend to get aggressive' before adding: 'I would recommend that you choose your words carefully'.

What insight does he have? What has he gleaned from his education to date that he doesn't reflect on how that reads?

Why is the Mail referring to Prof. Freedman and Prof. Phoenix as "Miss Freedman" and "Miss Phoenix"?

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These students are not children, they are adults and I can only guess at how badly this has affected Rosa Freeman that she has said 'enough is enough'.

Mr Wareham insists he does not 'intend to get aggressive'

But I will if you don't comply and it will be your fault if I do.

before adding: 'I would recommend that you choose your words carefully'

You have been warned, therefore it'll be your own fault if you don't like what you made me do.

Now what is that script reminiscent of?

@Tanith

He’s still a kid and there are ways of dealing with this that do not involve posting his contact details on Twitter. The University has a duty of care to its students as well as its staff and Rosa is a member of staff. It’s not OK to post his details on Twitter.

He's an adult who has sent a written threat to a member of staff. I think Freedman is well within her rights to do whatever she likes with it. I hope she's reported him to the police.

The irony that he thinks he can tell her to choose her words carefully, how did he get a place in university when his writing is so poor?

He does realise that he can get into trouble? Trying to put threats into ‘I’m telling you for your own good’ is still a threat.

Where does he get off telling a lecturer what she can and can’t say? Who does he think he is?

Clymene - what are the consequences to him of publishing his name and temporary email address? I will bet my pension that he's not going to be getting death and rape threats from rad fems who admire and respect Prof Freedman. I am equally certain that noone opposed to his poorly expressed views is going to urinate on his dorm door, as an individual(s) did to Prof F's office door a few years ago.

''I understand that you have had issues in the past with trans allies trying to protect the trans community from you''.

Nice victim blaming there, mate. See how when actual abuse, harassment and threats happen to a woman they're just ''issues'', not that serious, and even if they are it's all her own fault anyway. 'Look what you made us do'.

Misogynistic abuse is just mere ''issues'', whereas talking about chromosomes is actual violence

@heathspeedwell

The irony that he thinks he can tell her to choose her words carefully, how did he get a place in university when his writing is so poor?

A few people have raised this insultquestion, but we all know that people have diverse skill sets and some people who are highly capable in one area don’t necessarily have similar capabilities in all areas.

Slamming this person for poor SPAG is an easy thing to do and misses the point.

I also agree with the duty of care from staff to students—if personal details were shared (address, for example), they shouldn’t have been. Adult or not.

Other than that, go Professor Freedman!

Has he broken cover yet? Can you imagine reading that and then recognising the name at the bottom as your kid?

our he/himmer sent it at 3 am, so I'm assuming more than just conviction courage involved
Woke to the point of insomnia, clearly

He’s still a kid
No. A brat, yes, but an adult brat.

Do I read that correctly? He has threatened her, she publishes the threat, and Twitter delete her tweet? So she is punished?

@Tanith why do you keep reiterating 'he's a kid' 'he's just a kid' 'she shouldn't have done this'
That comes across to me like 'poor lamb, he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions, Professor Freedman, should have just ignored all this, shes now going to get him in to trouble, and that's bad of her.'....?

Rosa Freedman is a member of the University staff. She is an adult older and with more life experience than this student.
She can report it to the University staff; she can report it to the police.
Instead, she has posted the letter, without redacting the students details, on Twitter. I would expect a Law professor and a member of University staff to know better than that.
It’s an error of judgement and I’m surprised to see posters, who would condemn this behaviour from TRAs, trying to justify it.

What a misogynist little prick.

Kudos to professor Freedman for speaking out against these types of thinly veiled threats.

Apparently it's still adult human females with opinions that are the real threat.

@Tanith

Rosa Freedman is a member of the University staff. She is an adult older and with more life experience than this student. She can report it to the University staff; she can report it to the police. Instead, she has posted the letter, without redacting the students details, on Twitter. I would expect a Law professor and a member of University staff to know better than that. It’s an error of judgement and I’m surprised to see posters, who would condemn this behaviour from TRAs, trying to justify it.

Actually I have no problem with anyone publishing threats that they've received. Have any TRAs received threats?

@KarmaViolet

Why is the Mail referring to Prof. Freedman and Prof. Phoenix as "Miss Freedman" and "Miss Phoenix"?

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I was irked by this too. They get it right in some places but also use "Miss" in others. They have earned and are entitled to their academic rank, journalists should use it.

Never mind that other languages now use titles such as "Fräulein" and "Mademoiselle" for children only and no longer make a distinction between adult women - married or otherwise. That's a separate debate which feminists in West Germany and France won in the seventies.

I don't understand what you mean, surely Mr Wareham seems to be proud of what he doing and his actions and words? Therefore why should there be any issue with the sharing of this?

[quote MichelleScarn]@Tanith why do you keep reiterating 'he's a kid' 'he's just a kid' 'she shouldn't have done this'
That comes across to me like 'poor lamb, he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions, Professor Freedman, should have just ignored all this, shes now going to get him in to trouble, and that's bad of her.'....?[/quote]
It strikes me that the same people claiming that 18-21 year olds are "just kids" who should be allowed leeway may well be the same people campaigning to lower the voting age to 16.

I assume that as a Law Professor, Rosa Freedman knew what she was doing posting that letter.

As a law student, that adult, immature though they may be, also knew what they were doing posting that letter. Including invoking authority in mentioning they are working with 'several professors' on identifying 'problematic areas'.

Tanith, I take your point. I know that many women who have written to institutions and individuals captured by TWAW ideology have had to think long and hard about those institutions or individuals making the correspondence public, given the way the baying mob of TRAs are so eager for victims to punish for wrong think. And each of those women will have send off their letters knowing that if that happened, they would be required to publicly defend their views.

This man considers that he is doing a righteous act by writing this kind of letter to Freedman. Given that it's extremely unlikely he's going to get a horde of feminists demanding that he be forced to guve them cunniligus in response to it being made public, and indeed is possibly not even going to required to defend his behaviour, and as he is adult, not a child, I think I disagree with your conclusion.

All of us should be prepared to defend what we say and do if we attach our names to those statements and actions. That's a good lesson for all of us.

Just a kid - hmmmm but then preteens (even toddlers) are supposedly old enough to make pretty drastic life and health decisions. Funny that.

I would very much doubt that AW is a child if it's verified that he is working together with an array of professors to investigate Prof. Freedman.

It's unclear to me whether AW is an undergraduate or postgraduate student.

@heathspeedwell

The irony that he thinks he can tell her to choose her words carefully, how did he get a place in university when his writing is so poor?

Yes, astonishing that even with an expensive education he still cannot write a basic email correctly, how on earth is he at university?