Preferred names for streamlined feminist sections on MN.

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MN have stated they intended to streamline the number of sub forums on the feminist board. They have proposed that one section is called sex and gender. Many of us feel that any section dedicated to discussing sex based rights should include the word feminism. There are multiple threads running discussing this issue but I thought it might be useful to have a single thread where @MNHQ could see the preferences of regular users in the hope we can agree on a board title which accurately reflects the subjects being discussed.

This is not a discussion thread, it's intended to collect the suggestions for board names in one place.

Two sub sections will remain in the streamlined feminist topic. The stated intention is to allow room for discussion about women's sex based rights on one and a second for more general feminist discussion.

How would you prefer these sections to be titled?

My preferences are:

Feminism and Women's Rights
Feminist Chat

Why do people have to hide the forum? There are loads of other boards I don't hide but rarely see - is it because it is so popular it constantly pops up on active? If so that is surely a marker of success.

The Red Tent
Feminism Chat

Thanks for that useful signage, Arabella!

@BettyFilous

Feminism & Women’s Rights Dick-pandering feminism lite

I like this one

@MrsFrisbyMouse

The Red Tent Feminism Chat

Please not The Red Tent!

Only because I have a very odd, overly emosh friend who is a Red Tent style counsellor. She terrifies me with her heart felt everythings...

Ooh! I do like some of the later ones

Here Be Dragons

Justine said 1000s have hidden the topic, maybe they just aren't interested? Has she forgotten the results of the "What brought you to Mumsnet" Questionnaire thingy?

And maybe, just maybe, if she chose to stcik to our guns, we would all join up to the paid for version. I haven't because of all of the Naughty Seating and threats of derailing us. But if she called it FWR and let us get on with Feministing I could change my mind. yes, a bribe. The nicer way of using money to get what you want!

It might be interesting to see stats on number of people who've hidden each board vs number of active users. (I'm not sure if they can tell how many passive readers there are.)

@HoldontoOneMoreDay

Or Be Kind and No, You Be Kind?

This one!

I came to Mumsnet for the feminist chat. I'd never used it before despite having children. I always say I am fighting for the rights of women and girls. I would like to see the new board name to include women's rights and I guess to be clear it should say sex based rights. Including girls is a great idea as it will cover schools, female genital mutilation, period poverty, forced marriage etc.
Does the new name mean we can talk more feely and the guidance notes can be rewritten?
So my suggestion
Feminist chat: Women and girls sex based rights.
(With the correct punctuation!)
No idea about the new board they want surely the people wanting it should name it?

I'm totally lost already. Would I not be able to discuss the realities of biology, the impact of self-id etc etc on one of these boards? It is not clear to me from the names of them that I would not be able to do so. I think it needs to be something along the lines of:

Feminism (the sex-based kind)
Feminism (the kind that centres men and feelings rather than biological reality)

I agree with many other posters - I joined MN back in about 2004/5 when it was so small I could read every post on the site each day (at my rather dull job) and when I needed a site where I could get advice about miscarriage, fertility etc (all sex based stuff). Although in those days I steered clear of the feminist boards - they were fiercely intellecual!! I have stuck around for all these years because of the feminism section.

@somethinginoffensive

Justine said 1000s have hidden the topic, maybe they just aren't interested?

What are the hide rates on other topics? I hid baby names almost as soon as I joined. I can’t be the only one.

Ms Fogi I think your post above highlights the silencing many feel on the subject. "Can I ask/say that? Not sure. Best not then...." It is how it goes. For those of us who have given birth in the last ten years, the idea that in 2021 we can't say what a woman is uncontentiously is astonishing. I think the idea that Mumsnet of all places can't own up to the dissonance here is a shame. Mumsnet owes its name to female biology.

I’d also like something along the lines of Feminism and women’s sex-based rights.

I’m not going to suggest anything for the other section, but I think it should be something neutral and probably non-specific. It will presumably be used by people who aren’t liberal feminists and realistically its subject matter is being defined by the absence of certain types of discussion.

Feminism - not the fun kind
JUST on Wednesdays, we smash the patriarchy.

I would love Nest of Vipers too.

I suspect the watchers want to split us into two categories so they can direct all their reporting to whatever the space we are given is called.
We will be still be given an endless list of rules to be used on 'our' board, despite our views being valid and legal.

The end goal being to shut down FWR2 and leave only the fluffy chat where we mustn't ever point out that humans can't change sex.

There should be no mention of 'trans' in either title. There are already LGBTQ boards.

I would argue strenuously against the word trans being part of the title of the 'new' board as it isn't about trans issues, its about women's sex based rights

Really? As far as I can see it's all about trans issues and the right for "gender critical" posters to have thread after thread after thread on a trans related issue, including any daft utterance by any trans rights activist no matter how patently deluded or insignificant the activist might be.

Classic Feminism
Feminism Zero.

Feminism
"Feminism"

But, given that is unlikely I too will go for Feminist Chat, and FWR.

Feminism: how it started
Feminism: how it’s going

Feminism: our sex based rights
Feminism: #bekind

Nope, it's about women's sex based rights. There should have been a considered, reasoned conversation about how to balance the needs of women and trans people from the start of this. Instead, women were threatened with death and rape, doxxed, etc etc for daring to declare that perhaps some single sex spaces should remain.

Some of the things which have been discussed on this board which are to do with women's sex based rights -

Women who have been raped being able to request an examiner who is the same sex as them to avoid being traumatised further.

Women being able to compete against other women in sports and not be disadvantaged by competing against other people who have a massive physical advantage.

Vulnerable women who are incarcerated in the women's estate not being at risk of rape by convicted sex offenders.

And this is just a small number of examples. I would say these things are pretty important to discuss, particularly given the declaration of many MP/MSP's that there will be a move towards self ID.

We don't get to choose what we call ourselves.
I mean, we can all see the irony in this, amirite?

And regarding the utterances of trans rights activists, I've read many things and thought 'of course no one would take that seriously - it's patently ridiculous' but clearly, many of their supporters or allies agree with them.