Preferred names for streamlined feminist sections on MN.

[FOJN]

MN have stated they intended to streamline the number of sub forums on the feminist board. They have proposed that one section is called sex and gender. Many of us feel that any section dedicated to discussing sex based rights should include the word feminism. There are multiple threads running discussing this issue but I thought it might be useful to have a single thread where @MNHQ could see the preferences of regular users in the hope we can agree on a board title which accurately reflects the subjects being discussed.

This is not a discussion thread, it's intended to collect the suggestions for board names in one place.

Two sub sections will remain in the streamlined feminist topic. The stated intention is to allow room for discussion about women's sex based rights on one and a second for more general feminist discussion.

How would you prefer these sections to be titled?

My preferences are:

Feminism and Women's Rights
Feminist Chat

@JoodyBlue

I think if I hadn't been following this conversation I would be pretty unclear as to the difference between the two.

How about:
Feminism and Women's Sex Based Rights
Feminist Chat

This would be my choice. That or Feminism and Women's Rights.

@GoldenBlue

I quite like

Feminism and Women's Sex Based Rights

We need to be clear that for this group feminism relates to adult human females not all that aspire to feminity

I agree @GoldenBlue except I want Feminism: Women's Sex Based Rights rather than including an 'and' in there- because Feminism is our sex based rights- those rights aren't a separate entity or addition and if we're discussing correct language I want this to be absolutely clear!

These were my favourites from @cakedays on the other thread:

What about "women-centred feminism" and "male-centred feminism" boards?

Can't see it happening tho

Feminism and Women's Rights
Feminist Chat

Yes! Sex Based Rights would be good too, as explained above!

I like 'Feminism and Women's rights' too.Or 'Women's sex based rights'.
If I had to choose, I think it's more important to keep the word 'women' than 'feminism' as this issue affects all women, whether they view themselves as feminist or not.

I'm not really interested in thinking up a name for the other topic - I think the posters who wanted it so badly can do that, I'm not doing all their work for them.

Feminism and Sex Based Reality chat?
Feminism and 21st Century Suffragette chat?
Feminism and SeXX Matters chat?

I'll be happy with either of your suggestions, OP. "Feminism" must be in the title. But I really don't understand what MN is hoping to achieve with this*, other than giving a "safe space" to people lacking in critical thinking faculties. Why we have to give up the title "Feminist Chat" is beyond me. Just create another board called "TWAW and Porn is Liberating", because that's what it boils down to.

*We were obviously way too happy following Maya's case, and needed to be put back in our box (gulag).

But there's already several topics listed under Feminism.
And there's GC discussion going on in Feminist theory.
I don't see how they can sensibly be separated out. How will it be policed? How many threads will get zapped either for being in the wrong place or because in the "right place" there is more policing and it can all be kept out of sight more readily?

Calling one of them "Radical Feminism" will put off a lot of posters who associate the word "radical" with the man-hating, unshaven stereotypes of feminism.

Rather than two competing generalist boards, I suggest that we have a main board ("Feminism and Women's Rights"), and also a "Liberal Feminism" board for those who feel that they have that specific interest.

@Catabogus

Gender critical feminism

and

General feminist chat

?

I like those

“ I'm not doing all their work for them.”
Exactly, @Floisme. I am so, so tired of women having to be the ones to put their effort and energy into negotiating these accommodations and finding ways around disruption. It saps our energy and diverts our efforts from more meaningful work (and discussion). How much time do we have to spend negotiating our own right to exist, to talk, to communicate with each other? It is a huge drag on women’s momentum. Just look at how much more effort women have to put into being able to hold a meeting for example! Venues getting closed down, security threats … it’s very time consuming. This week lots of people have put hours of discussion into several threads about the reorganisation of these boards; it’s a completely unnecessary waste of everyone’s time and energy.

Should have added to my last sentence: and this discussion is being undertaken with positive intentions and goodwill to find a constructive solution. But it’s still sapping women’s time and energy.

If there is less restrictions on postong and it becomes a safe space to post on behalf of womens sex based rights that could be a good thing surely?

Dividing it into two sections along the lines of sex based rights / lib fem is a terrible idea. The policing (and moderation for MN) will be out of hand.

There should be one general one, like it is now, and then if other people want a new board in feminism, then grand, let them have a sub section.

Feminism is for all women, and so should this board be.

So:

Feminist chat (main topic, no restrictions on what's discussed)

and

Liberal feminism (sub section, they can make up whatever rules they like).

@GiantToadstool

If there is less restrictions on postong and it becomes a safe space to post on behalf of womens sex based rights that could be a good thing surely?

Well it may be a good outcome if we can have a forum for us called 'Feminism and Women's Sex Based Rights' (having read @Floisme's point that women who don't consider themselves feminists are also important in this so maybe the 'and' is helpful). A board with a name that really reflects what we care about. And maybe with less restrictions on what we post, those who want to chip in and label us transphobic, or tell us that they're put off of posting on the feminism board because of all us nasty vipers, can be told to shove off to the space they were so apparently desperate for. That might be a good outcome.

I think one should mention women AND girls as so much of the sharp end of women’s rights at the moment is around girls, so how about:

Feminism: women’s and girls’ rights (FWGR)

Perhaps Liberal Feminism Chat would work for the other one?

I’m keen that discussion boards should be more open rather than more narrowed, because many readers are new to the contexts, and I think centring either sex or gender in subject titles (not threads) can backfire.

@SimonedeBeauvoirscat

“ I'm not doing all their work for them.” Exactly, *@Floisme*. I am so, so tired of women having to be the ones to put their effort and energy into negotiating these accommodations and finding ways around disruption. It saps our energy and diverts our efforts from more meaningful work (and discussion). How much time do we have to spend negotiating our own right to exist, to talk, to communicate with each other? It is a huge drag on women’s momentum. Just look at how much more effort women have to put into being able to hold a meeting for example! Venues getting closed down, security threats … it’s very time consuming. This week lots of people have put hours of discussion into several threads about the reorganisation of these boards; it’s a completely unnecessary waste of everyone’s time and energy.

What choice do we have, though? If we hadn't put all that time into meeting, defending this space here, arguing for the basic right to call ourselves women (FFS!) then where would we be? The GRA changes would have been accepted, Maya's case wouldn't have been won, Stonewall Law would be rolling out unimpeded, etc...

I totally agree it's a monumental waste of all our time - but what choice do we have?

Feminism: FWR
Feminist Chat

It's a bit 'People's Front of Judea', but presumably somebody has made this request very earnestly and MNHQ are in agreement with them.

My own preference:

Naice Ladies' Chat
Pit of Vipers Radicalisation Portal

"TWAW and Porn is Liberating", because that's what it boils down to.

Yes really I still can’t understand the need to shoehorn us into one space. The only thing we have in common is the name. Just have 2 boards with their own sub sections. FWR can stay as it is and a new board for all those who are desperate to talk about whatever it is they feel they can’t post about on the current FWR board.

Clear signage is important.

@JoyousAsOtters

I think one should mention women AND girls as so much of the sharp end of women’s rights at the moment is around girls, so how about:

Feminism: women’s and girls’ rights (FWGR)

Perhaps Liberal Feminism Chat would work for the other one?

I’m keen that discussion boards should be more open rather than more narrowed, because many readers are new to the contexts, and I think centring either sex or gender in subject titles (not threads) can backfire.

Yes, totally agree with this.

Don’t post that much and have recently changes name. I would prefer Feminist chat to stay as it.
I honestly don’t understand the issue. If there are some women unhappy with this forum couldn’t they have a space they can name as they like. Like feminism for the faint hearted or feminism for ? I don’t really want to do their job for them. What are they proposing?

One thing I worry about is that this will give an opportunity to shut down discussion of this type in the future without being seen to shut down women's discussions. They'll leave the 'inclusive' feminism board up that centres all that aspire to femininity but shut down the one that focuses on women's rights

Like feminism for the faint hearted or feminism for ?

Or 'Feminism for those who aren't really feminists but who want to give themselves a trendy label as everyone obviously needs one these days'

FWR
Happy Clappy Feminism

I'm not really interested in thinking up a name for the other topic - I think the posters who wanted it so badly can do that, I'm not doing all their work for them.

This is an excellent point, thank you.