Barack Obama heartbroken by wave of anti-trans bills

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www.google.com/amp/s/uk.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/barack-obama-heartbroken-wave-anti-153244006.html

Thoughts?

@oranjecallista77

The Obama's are open minded when it comes to LGBTQ+ matters, they even hired a transgender m2f nanny to care for their two daughters

As an aside, apologies for going a bit off topic, this isn't true. Barack Obama had a nanny when he was a small child who is now transgender. This nanny was employed by Obama's family as a man and always dressed as a man around the family. Barack and Michelle did not hire a transgender nanny for their daughters.

It doesn't detail what these 'anti-trans' bills actually are...

Of course not Kindness because that would show they're not anti trans.

The origin of the JFK/Obama quote Gorse would appear to be this:

twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/732586745481547776

Obama is quoted as saying:

"These bills are doing real harm – especially to young people – whether they end up passing or not. Growing up is hard enough, and at some point we all struggle to find our place in the world.

“I can’t imagine how difficult it is for young people to know that some leaders – including people who are supposed to be representing you – don’t think they deserve equal rights.”

Call me biased, but replace 'young people' with young girls / women / females and it scans. Politicians don't think women deserve equal rights.

So Obama can just fuck off. IIRC, he was instrumental in getting this shitshow off the ground.

He was indeed @WhereYouLeftIt. And his massive over reach in terms of what the average American was prepared to accept was a major reason Trump got in - middle Americans felt the democrats just didn’t represent people like them any more

Oh that's disappointing. He was always my second favorite political crush.

I bet John Major would not say that swoons

.... One thing I have noticed about everyone who speaks up publicly against GC beliefs is that they never have any real answers. How many issues have we raised? Prisons, sports, puberty blockers? And everyone just either ignores them, tells us we are lying....

Why not say something like ' we support these tights but wa t you yo know we are dedivate3to solving some of the issues that self id brings up.....'

ANYTHING to address any part of our raft of concern....

'support these tights' hahaha!

I mean rights. Dedicated to solving these issues....

they never have any real answers.

Worse than that, they never seem to know what the questions are.

"often seem not to know" would be more accurate...

Sorry, got a bit carried away.

@QueenStromba

I don't really understand the Obama love - if he was white then he would have been deeply unpopular. He spent his whole two terms at war, ordered countless drone strikes and is one of only two Nobel peace prize winners to bomb another recipient.

He is a pretty typical Democrat, pro big business, pro-banker, anti-union, pro-war and interventionist. Guy who puts a Monsanto exec in charge of the FDA.

He's very personable and comes across as a nice man, which I am sure he is in a way. And to a lot of university educated middle class people he seems safe and like someone they could hang out with.

But he gets way more credit than he should for being somehow progressive.

Just another rich dude who’s daughters don’t need scholarships to get into college

Where a poor black girl might have got a scholarship but now some dude identifying as a girl has got her place

Go Obama with your privilege

Just woke signal from your rich place. Instead of actually using your brain

@littlbrowndog

Just another rich dude who’s daughters don’t need scholarships to get into college

Where a poor black girl might have got a scholarship but now some dude identifying as a girl has got her place

Go Obama with your privilege

Just woke signal from your rich place. Instead of actually using your brain

Oh you said it way better than I did!!

@snekkes

I know there's also a rugby team where a trans man who has taken testosterone is allowed to play with the women, despite the potential for unfair advantage against opponents

But isn't the GC position that trans women should play on mens' teams? And therefore, surely trans men should play on ladies' teams?

Really, you don't understand anything about performance enhancing drugs.

Why do you think there is so much testing in sports or people tamper with their samples?

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. You on team Lance Armstrong or every other cheat who has done this?

Says it all really. Could replace America for the UK. So many people are just a disgrace of prejudice sadly. What is even more sad, is they are so invested in GC thinking, they can no longer see it:

“America has always been at its best when we open our arms wider and help more people feel like they belong – not treat them like second-class citizens because they’re different.”

@snekkes

So... Verity should play on the men's team?

No Snekkes, no. Do you see how women are doubly disadvantaged here? It's really clear - Verity shouldn't play on the men's team because Verity isn't really a man and wouldn't make the men's team anyway. Verity is taking testosterone which is a performance enhancing drug, therefore has an advantage over the women he is competing against. Therefore Verity shouldn't play on the women's team. People who are born male shouldn't play on the women's team either because they have a biological advantage. Women's teams are for women born female and women who are not doping. Women's teams are not the "other" category for all "non men".

@MishyJDI

Says it all really. Could replace America for the UK. So many people are just a disgrace of prejudice sadly. What is even more sad, is they are so invested in GC thinking, they can no longer see it:

“America has always been at its best when we open our arms wider and help more people feel like they belong – not treat them like second-class citizens because they’re different.”

Prejudice in what specific contexts?

“America has always been at its best when we open our arms wider and help more people feel like they belong – not treat them like second-class citizens because they’re different.”

That's lovely, but it's not an argument for letting adults play in children's sports, letting able-bodied people play in Paralympic sports, or letting males play in female sports.

All of those restricted categories are to help more people feel like they belong - giving them a place to compete fairly against others with the same body type.

How can you possibly be in favour of excluding 50% of the population from fair competitive sport? Treating them like second-class citizens because they're different?

The US is 99.99% in the tank for the TRA worldview. Obama is just being a good politician and parroting what's popular. Like every other non-rightwinger there. Including Kamala Harris, unfortunately. It's signing your political death warrant to do anything else.

'. It's signing your political death warrant to do anything else'

Totally agree.

Also. Here (but stalled thank God) and in other countries the politicians are all for it.

I think that given the different context in USA it's a bit simplistic to slate Obama for this.

.... One thing I have noticed about everyone who speaks up publicly against GC beliefs is that they never have any real answers. How many issues have we raised? Prisons, sports, puberty blockers? And everyone just either ignores them, tells us we are lying....

Why not say something like ' we support these tights but wa t you yo know we are dedivate3to solving some of the issues that self id brings up.....'

Exactly. I have only ever heard aggression, DARVO or contemptuous dismissal. Never one word of reassurance, which is strange if our concerns are so unfounded and we have nothing to worry about.

NiceGerbil,

My understanding is that.

USA do not have the same sort of global equalities laws that we have.

In some/ many (?) states employers can sack you if they find out you're gay/ lesbian, housing can be denied etc etc.

So the fight for equality/ anti discrimination laws for gay and lesbian people is ongoing.
The T has been bundled in with this.

This is true. I think this 2007 article by John Aravosis, a gay Democratic activist, outlines a lot of the US political history on this topic well.

www.salon.com/2007/10/08/lgbt/

How Did the T Get In LGBT?

In simpler times we were all gay. But then the word "gay" started to mean "gay men" more than women, so we switched to the more inclusive "gay and lesbian." Bisexuals, who were only part-time gays, insisted that we add them too, so we did (not without some protest), and by the early 1990s we were the lesbian, gay and bisexual, or LGB community. Sometime in the late '90s, a few gay rights groups and activists started using a new acronym, LGBT -- adding T for transgender/transsexual. And that's when today's trouble started.

It is interesting to read this account in light of the Denton’s document. www.google.com/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/amp

There's another thread about why the difference in approach is so marked.

I said on that thread. Nature or nurture etc who knows. But it's male communication style Vs female.

So

It's not your place to disagree, it's an outrage. I'm right and that's that. STFU.
Threats of rape, beating etc.

Vs

Trying to persuade and understand and find common ground
Starting lots with an apology. I'm sorry but I don't agree. Etc etc.

I mean at the sharp end.

The trans people who don't agree with group a get insulted, others etc.

The ones making the most noise have no interest in anything except getting their own way. Supported by bog standard mysoginists who are revelling in having carte blanche to tell women off.

It's just grim really.

I'll read the link.

'Bisexuals, who were only part-time gays, insisted that we add them too, so we did (not without some protest), '

Is a proper shit thing to say though.

Bisexual people get it from all sides really.