If you avoid the feminist section then at least read this article

[RedthroatedCaracara]

because all females need to be aware of this

And there's no need to have an attack of the vapours because it's a Daily Mail link. For all their multitude of shortcomings, the Mail at least have the guts to publish articles that stand up for women and girls.

Which question didn’t I answer?

How much evidence would you accept? Tens of examples? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions?

"Perhaps not everywhere but more than two". Not much help, really.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Which question didn’t I answer?

How much evidence would you accept? Tens of examples? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions?

It’s hard to quantify but id say if there were over 50 of official documents for pregnant women and mothers who point-blank refused to say women and mothers then I’d consider it widespread.

Plumper, at least 850 organisations, including 250 government departments, are paying thousands and thousands of pounds to get their homework marked by Stonewall. In order to get a sticker.

Oxford University had to fill out what, what was it, a 1000 pages?

I'm not quite sure what you don't understand about this.

You have said you know they have an agenda. You know they are being paid to deliver that agenda to all these people. Who pay to get their compliance assessed, and then do it all again the following year, in order to go up the league tables.

Changing rooms, gender neutral toilets, the way we address people. All of it is following the de-gendering policy. I've sent having to period pants, tracking apps, doulas.

Do you think if feminists didn't push back, that there is some other cohort of people who are going to do it? Some other groups who will defend women, seeing it through a lens of sexism? Who?

It's not an old tweet or Instagram post. It's wholesale policy, across 850 organisations, including 250 government departments, which meant that a maternity bill crossed out the word mother until got stopped by the House of Lords.

I'm using that example, because they're the highest lawmakers in the land. It doesn't get more demonstrative.

What I'm not going to do, is trawl through all the, quite literally, hundreds of threads on here, giving you other examples.

Every woman on this board has already read them.

*50%

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Because it’s not translating into real life. Even those handful of tweets saying ‘birthing parent’ link to policies, websites and press releases where ‘mother’ is used everywhere.

It is translating into real life. Tell me, why do you identify as "gender critical"? If it's all just a storm in a teacup, what's the problem?

Where’s your evidence?

I don’t believe trans women should be in female-only spaces, such as prisons or anywhere segregated by sex.

I don’t think pretending there’s a conspiracy to erase the word ‘mother’ is helping anything.

@Datun

Plumper, at least 850 organisations, including 250 government departments, are paying thousands and thousands of pounds to get their homework marked by Stonewall. In order to get a sticker.

Oxford University had to fill out what, what was it, a 1000 pages?

I'm not quite sure what you don't understand about this.

You have said you know they have an agenda. You know they are being paid to deliver that agenda to all these people. Who pay to get their compliance assessed, and then do it all again the following year, in order to go up the league tables.

Changing rooms, gender neutral toilets, the way we address people. All of it is following the de-gendering policy. I've sent having to period pants, tracking apps, doulas.

Do you think if feminists didn't push back, that there is some other cohort of people who are going to do it? Some other groups who will defend women, seeing it through a lens of sexism? Who?

It's not an old tweet or Instagram post. It's wholesale policy, across 850 organisations, including 250 government departments, which meant that a maternity bill crossed out the word mother until got stopped by the House of Lords.

I'm using that example, because they're the highest lawmakers in the land. It doesn't get more demonstrative.

What I'm not going to do, is trawl through all the, quite literally, hundreds of threads on here, giving you other examples.

Every woman on this board has already read them.

I’ve read them too! And ultimately, it didn’t matter, because the bill says ‘mothers’.

I’ve read them too! And ultimately, it didn’t matter, because the bill says ‘mothers’.

Yes it did.

And you know what?

You're welcome.

@Datun

I’ve read them too! And ultimately, it didn’t matter, because the bill says ‘mothers’.

Yes it did.

And you know what?

You're welcome.

Ok.

I don’t think pretending there’s a conspiracy to erase the word ‘mother’ is helping anything.

Well then, you're not paying attention.

How can a man be women, if woman is based on biology. It has to be based on an identity. And one that isn't based on biology. Hence the targeting of, motherhood, body parts like cervices and menstruation, etc.

Just think about it. That's the agenda. You know it. You've already said you know they have an agenda.

That's what it is.

@Datun

I don’t think pretending there’s a conspiracy to erase the word ‘mother’ is helping anything.

Well then, you're not paying attention.

How can a man be women, if woman is based on biology. It has to be based on an identity. And one that isn't based on biology. Hence the targeting of, motherhood, body parts like cervices and menstruation, etc.

Just think about it. That's the agenda. You know it. You've already said you know they have an agenda.

That's what it is.

But that’s not happening. And you can’t provide any evidence that it’s happening, aside from a few tweets. And anywhere it’s not happening you say ‘well, that’s because we already fixed that one’.

Its so much more than a few tweets. You really haven't been paying attention.

The next attack will be on The Equality Act.

It’s hard to quantify but id say if there were over 50 of official documents for pregnant women and mothers who point-blank refused to say women and mothers then I’d consider it widespread.

I'd guess there are. But I don't have time to look for them all, and you're the person who doubts it, not me. I'm simply not that interested in convincing you of anything. Anyone who is genuinely interested can look back in the FWR archives over the last four or five years, and investigate the matter for themselves.

I can't read this as I'm not signed up to the BMJ, but here's an article asking for 'sex' to be removed from all data sets, as far as I can tell:

www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1261

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It’s hard to quantify but id say if there were over 50 of official documents for pregnant women and mothers who point-blank refused to say women and mothers then I’d consider it widespread.

I'd guess there are. But I don't have time to look for them all, and you're the person who doubts it, not me. I'm simply not that interested in convincing you of anything. Anyone who is genuinely interested can look back in the FWR archives over the last four or five years, and investigate the matter for themselves.

There aren’t, I’ve already looked. NHS, Scottish mat policy, LLL, Breastfeeding Network - all say mother.

There aren’t, I’ve already looked.

Ok then.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

There aren’t, I’ve already looked.

Ok then.

Looked and provided evidence, all in this thread.

But that’s not happening. And you can’t provide any evidence that it’s happening, aside from a few tweets. And anywhere it’s not happening you say ‘well, that’s because we already fixed that one’.

Except where it happened at the highest lawmaking office in the land.

You've had a woman on this very thread saying her work policy reflects it.

The government has had to come out and insist gender neutral toilets are rolled back.

And women are being decoupled from their sex to the extent that men can be lesbians.

A doctor on here said that if a transman came to them with abdominal pain, it was a criminal offence for her to write in the referral letter that the person might be pregnant. Because of privacy laws denying biology.

The changing of forms from sex to gender. The issues with the girl guides. Etc

At my work - public sector they dropped using the word sex in their public facing reports. Instead they use sexuality and gender. I correct them everytime and everytime they Amend it and use the correct protected characteristics. Even with our in house training on child protection they used the word gender then said 93% of sexual abuse is committed by men. Again I corrected them and said they need to use the word sex. If I didn’t do this then we would have 100s of documents and training courses passing on incorrect info. It is all over the place.

@Feelinghothothottoday

The changing of forms from sex to gender. The issues with the girl guides. Etc

At my work - public sector they dropped using the word sex in their public facing reports. Instead they use sexuality and gender. I correct them everytime and everytime they Amend it and use the correct protected characteristics. Even with our in house training on child protection they used the word gender then said 93% of sexual abuse is committed by men. Again I corrected them and said they need to use the word sex. If I didn’t do this then we would have 100s of documents and training courses passing on incorrect info. It is all over the place.

Indeed. Groups of women have steadfastly written to every local council in the land, correcting them when they use gender instead of sex as a protected characteristic.

Sometimes they've had to write more than once, because the following year it slips back.

Indeed. Groups of women have steadfastly written to every local council in the land, correcting them when they use gender instead of sex as a protected characteristic.

Sometimes they've had to write more than once, because the following year it slips back.

Yes, it's almost as if you could consider this misrepresentation of the Equality Act widespread? Wonder where that came from?

@Masdintle

Remind me what a sea lion is, I forget

I find this quite a useful explanation

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Never mind there’s no actual real-life evidence of every midwife being shot at dawn for saying the word ‘mother’.

This is what is known as a "straw man".

I think in the end the losers in all of this insanity will be the trans community. By allowing militants like Stonewall to push the agenda further and further they were always going to hit a pushback. Now they've ended up on the radar of Sarah Vine, The Daily Mail and all the other pc gone mad brigade and it's not going to end well for them. But its their own fault.
People I know (men mostly) who wouldn't even have known anything about this stuff 12 months ago are all talking about it. It doesn't matter how many or few leaflets are replacing mother with something else. Itss like the migrants crossing the channel. There's not that many but according to the right wingers its thousands upon thousands and then it becomes a thing in the public consciousness.

The Act isn't anecdata. The video isn't anecdata. Direct quotes from maternity policies as provided by PPs are not anecdata (though admittedly the PP hasn't provided a copy of the policy). Documented Stonewall policy isn't anecdata.

People saying 'well it hasn't happened in my experience' is anecdata.

Quite.