If you avoid the feminist section then at least read this article

[RedthroatedCaracara]

because all females need to be aware of this

And there's no need to have an attack of the vapours because it's a Daily Mail link. For all their multitude of shortcomings, the Mail at least have the guts to publish articles that stand up for women and girls.

Mishy Stonewall began this horrible mess with a declaration that they wanted "to remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces" - as in, they wanted to remove the exemptions in the Equality Act that provide for access to single sex spaces.

From here: www.stonewall.org.uk/women-and-equalities-select-committee-inquiry-transgender-equality

They have very recently rowed back a bit - it's not in their most recent policy, at least.

@bentleydrummle

Not sure I have ever seen Stonewall put out a statement that they are trying to remove sex from the equality act. Where do you source their push here? Sex exclusion is valid in the equalities act where there is a legitimate need. Never heard Stonewall say they want to get rid of that.

Because it doesn't come with a banner saying "we are removing sex from the equality act". They are doing it by stealth, by trying to change the meanings of words and misrepresenting the law and crying "transphobia" at expressions of biological fact. And thanks to women who were alert to this and not sticking their heads in the sand, their efforts are being thwarted.

When stonewall list the protected characteristics they definitely do not use the word sex.

They use gender, gender identity, or sexuality.

My local authority’s training on safeguarding vulnerable adults used the word sexuality. I, as well as my colleagues, didn’t have a clue what they meant by sexuality. Nothing made sense.

Attack of the vapours
Where has anyone said that on this thread?
Unless I'm being blind lol

I did in my OP.

@RedthroatedCaracara

I did in my OP.

Ah! Yes Oops lol

@MishyJDI they explicitly want mixed sex bathrooms, mixed sex women’s shelters, unable to request a specified sex doctor for sexual health and rape, mixed sex prisons, mixed sex sports. Are there even any examples left of where single sex might be beneficial to add to the above list?

I've just googled it to see why someone might take offence and am now educated! Didn't realise there was a womb connection.

I only ever heard it from the Head Mistress (yes, that was her title) at my old school who would occasionally announce at the start of morning assembly "let's see if we can get through prayers without anyone having an attack if the vapours." Fainting was very common in our stuffy school hall.

@itsmschanandlerbong

Urgh can we not keep this transphobic crap to the FWR boards please.

Couldn't agree more. But all you'll get is a line of people asking you to point out the transphobia; which even if you did waste your time doing they don't care. They're indoctrinated but like the worst of those truly indoctrinated will throw it back on you.Meanwhile, in the real world, we can just keep on being on the right side of history.

It's fascinating when people extoll being on the 'right side of history' rather than 'I'm doing the right thing'. Revealing even.

Late to the party, haven't RTFT.
@ComtesseDeSpair
I don't know any organisations or people who have changed the language they use
I live fairly rurally and know very few 'woke'. And there I was at work, at First Aid training, and the trainer used 'pregnant person''.

Besides, this isn't just about terminology. It's about safeguarding, about prisons, about sports, about young people having their bodies irrevocably changed without adequate counselling.

PS And I know young people to whom this has happened. With their consent, but starting an their teens, with limited life experience and at an age where if they had asked to be sterilised, they would almost certainly have been turned down.

@LadyFuHao

It's fascinating when people extoll being on the 'right side of history' rather than 'I'm doing the right thing'. Revealing even.

Those of us reading who are outside of the monomaniacal, tiny little echo chamber to be found here are doing the right thing on a daily basis. In real time. And doing that in the knowledge that we can look back and know we weren't part of your hatred.

And yet organisations continue ti leave the stonewall diversity programme, why IS that?

And personally I’m delighted to be on the side that is for women haning their own sports, prisons, refuges, programmes to rectify centuries of sexist oppression and safe guarding but you centre men if you want

@EndoplasmicReticulum

Relevant piece:

"A review of the Equality Act 2010 to include ‘gender identity’ rather than ‘gender reassignment’ as a protected characteristic and to remove exemptions, such as access to single-sex spaces"

Wow! Take away sex based rights to security, privacy and dignity. Erode rights of a protected characteristic. Is that not in contravention of their charitable status?

Couldn't agree more. But all you'll get is a line of people asking you to point out the transphobia; which even if you did waste your time doing they don't care. They're indoctrinated but like the worst of those truly indoctrinated will throw it back on you.Meanwhile, in the real world, we can just keep on being on the right side of history.

Ah yes, the end of single spaces for women - truly 'the right side of history....'

'Single sex spaces for women' that should say.

tiny little echo chamber to be found here

Whatever your views, I think it’s clear that the FWR is not this. It’s one of the most active boards on MN with lurkers regularly popping on to thank others.

I think you’ll find that the support for upholding women’s rights and for child safeguarding re things like PBs is on the increase.

which even if you did waste your time doing they don't care.

No go for it. If you see it point it out.

Those of us reading who are outside of the monomaniacal, tiny little echo chamber to be found here are doing the right thing on a daily basis. In real time. And doing that in the knowledge that we can look back and know we weren't part of your hatred.

ah yes

wishing to preserve privacy, dignity and safety for women, and understanding that humans can't change sex

aka 'hatred'

seriously, listen to yourself

@suspiria777

"females"

I haven't read the full thread but if 'women' doesn't refer to exclusively female people and calling them 'female' is now also verboten, then what word are we 'allowed' to use? There aren't any left. How do we talk about abortion rights, forced marriage, child marriage, the gap in medical research on female bodies, street harassment and rape? All those things that predominantly and negatively affect the people of one sex. If we aren't even allowed a word to describe ourselves, then it makes it a thousand times harder to address the issues that affect us. I'm tired of seeing activists sneer at the use of 'female' as if there is something shameful about what we are. It's the distillation of sexism.

Hatred?
For the trans people who have stayed overnight in my house and who are always welcome?
For my daughter, who competes in sport and just asks to compete against others with female biology, not someone with the advantages of a male frame?
For my niece who is involved in a contact sport and would prefer not to be injured by someone much more powerful than she is who 'identifies as a woman'?
For vulnerable women in prison who would prefer not to be locked up with male-bodied sex offenders who 'identify as women'?

I don't hate trans people, but I do hate the infringements in women's rights and safety that Stonewall is so keen on.

Well said.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

Those of us reading who are outside of the monomaniacal, tiny little echo chamber to be found here are doing the right thing on a daily basis. In real time. And doing that in the knowledge that we can look back and know we weren't part of your hatred.

ah yes

wishing to preserve privacy, dignity and safety for women, and understanding that humans can't change sex

aka 'hatred'

seriously, listen to yourself

Exactly

There are certainly people wanting women to stop talking about it - you can see it on Twitter, SM and then like this on here

Those of us reading who are outside of the monomaniacal, tiny little echo chamber to be found here are doing the right thing on a daily basis. In real time. And doing that in the knowledge that we can look back and know we weren't part of your hatred.

Yes of course. That's why lots of large organisations are leaving Stonewall. It must be because they're just haterz.

I haven’t read the full thread so apologies if this has already been addressed but yes it is happening in the real world.

Breastfeeding support organisations are increasingly using gender neutral language such as parents, people and families in social media posts instead of mothers.

It is a nonsense to me that “parents” need help with breastfeeding and frankly disturbing that “families” need support in making decisions about breastfeeding. By obscuring women and mothers we end up with women losing their bodily autonomy, this is the result of not centring women in our own bodily processes.

Honestly it feels like a punch in the gut every time I see it.

Breastfeeding support organisations in the UK are currently planning that new resources should be written with gender neutral language. This to my mind is a massive betrayal of mothers and indeed babies. Like left wing political parties, not a single breastfeeding support organisation is willing to stand up for women. How can you support breastfeeding without supporting mothers?

LLLUSA even talks about supporting communities to breastfeed now!? No it was just me breastfeeding my baby I really don’t need my whole community getting involved in it thank you very much. My body, my baby, my choices.

Part of the agenda of queer theory appears to be the destruction of the family as we know it, making the word mother taboo and weakening the value society places on mother-infant bonds seems to fit well with that aim.

Not to mention the word father, it isn’t clear yet if we are now supposed to be kind by talking about the inseminating parent as well as the birthing parent.

Do transwomen and non binary people of the ejaculating kind prefer to be called the inseminating parent rather than father and will all dads be expected to accept this term in health care and parenting organisations?