Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence & Fox killer launch appeal against Charity Commission over LGB Alliance charity status

[FindTheTruth]

www.scotsman.com/news/people/lgbt-charities-launch-appeal-against-charity-commission-over-controversial-groups-status-3257923

"In April, the LGB Alliance was made a charity after the commission decided the group benefitted the public through its educational and awareness-raising activities about discrimination based on sexual orientation."

"On Tuesday, transgender children’s charity Mermaids launched an appeal against the decision at the first tier tribunal, supported by other charities and groups including Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, and the Good Law Project."

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

Trans people have fought for gay acceptance. We're not going to abandon them now.

So why are you opposing the LGB Alliance, Yeahbutnaw? Why not welcome another group that supports gay rights? You don't have to have identical policies and strategies.

No animal-lover says the Canine Defence League should disband and support only the RSPCA. No environmentalist objects to Greenpeace covering some of the same territory as Friends of the Earth. Genuine supporters of a cause don't try to get other supporters banned as a hate group!

Because they... don't support gay rights.

Perhaps, as a straight person, it would benefit you to listen to LGBT people on things that they likely have more experience and knowledge about than you.

Ok. Here's one.

As a lesbian I am exclusively sexually attracted to people only of the female sex. My identity is of an adult human female. I think in terms of binary biological sex. I am not open to sexual relations with anyone male regardless of their gender identity. I am quite prepared to accept there are those who feel differently. However I am not at all receptive to having any political lobby or person attempt to forcibly redefine my identity, what the word 'sex' means, to try to blur biological binary sex being a thing, or to forcibly insist that my homosexuality must be homogenderality. Particularly as this has nothing to do with me or with female people, but with extending the rights and prioritisation of male people over female consent, voices, experiences.

Not ok.

No, trans and gay were never interchangable. Trust me on this, I've been on the scene for a long time. No, the fight for gay rights was not about gender non conformity, it was about the right to have a same sex sexual partner.

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

Trans people have fought for gay acceptance. We're not going to abandon them now.

So why are you opposing the LGB Alliance, Yeahbutnaw? Why not welcome another group that supports gay rights? You don't have to have identical policies and strategies.

No animal-lover says the Canine Defence League should disband and support only the RSPCA. No environmentalist objects to Greenpeace covering some of the same territory as Friends of the Earth. Genuine supporters of a cause don't try to get other supporters banned as a hate group!

Let's put this another way.

We have two "women's rights" groups.

One is arguing for bodily autonomy. The other is arguing against it.

Both claim to support women. Only one actually has policies that would benefit women.

Would you welcome both?

Because they... don't support gay rights. Well, only if you can't bring yourself to read what they actually say rather than the deliberate disinformation publsihed about it.

yeahbutnaw

Are you able to answer the question what is a lesbian?

I assume that although the case is Mermaids vs The Charity Commission, LGB Alliance will be forced to intervene in order to reduce the risk of the CC simply folding and doing as Mermaids request.

yeahbutnaw you've told us that trans people have fought for years for gay rights with no evidence. That the majority of LGB Alliance supporters are straight. Now you're saying that LGB Alliance doesn't support gay rights.

Where is your evidence for these assertions?

Would you welcome both? Yep! And both would have open, loud, public discussions about their POV. And would shout and rail about the intransigence of the other. BUT both groups would have the rights of females at heart, seeing different paths to achieving them and wouldn't seek to silence the other.

That's what freedom of speech is all about.

@Artichokeleaves

Perhaps, as a straight person, it would benefit you to listen to LGBT people on things that they likely have more experience and knowledge about than you.

Ok. Here's one.

As a lesbian I am exclusively sexually attracted to people only of the female sex. My identity is of an adult human female. I think in terms of binary biological sex. I am not open to sexual relations with anyone male regardless of their gender identity. I am quite prepared to accept there are those who feel differently. However I am not at all receptive to having any political lobby or person attempt to forcibly redefine my identity, what the word 'sex' means, to try to blur biological binary sex being a thing, or to forcibly insist that my homosexuality must be homogenderality. Particularly as this has nothing to do with me or with female people, but with extending the rights and prioritisation of male people over female consent, voices, experiences.

Not ok.

No, trans and gay were never interchangable. Trust me on this, I've been on the scene for a long time. No, the fight for gay rights was not about gender non conformity, it was about the right to have a same sex sexual partner.

And why was a same-sex partner not seen as acceptable? Because it's not conforming with the expectations of your gender/sex.

Penny dropped yet?

Woah. You got it. Welcome to the Gender Critical side

No, because it was seen as sexual deviance.

Because of same sex. Biological sex.

Being trans is about embracing gender conformity, rejecting sex based reality and 'living as' the gender stereotypes of the opposite sex.

That certainly seems to be the Mermaids approach, but the Stonewall definition of trans is so large that it can cover pretty much anyone including people who are completely gender conforming.

The main goal seems to be to establish a right to be affirmed by society, because what could be worse than a lack of status and respect? To be fair, I think increased visibility and a change in public perception did lead to many of Stonewall's early successes.

The problem is that the model is limited and doesn't work when you try to apply it more widely. In particular it can't cope with any conflict of rights.

LGB's mission statement from their website -

'Our Mission

To advance lesbian, gay and bisexual rights

We advance the interests of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals, and stand up for our right to live as same-sex attracted people without discrimination or disadvantage. We will ensure that the voices of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals are heard in all public and political discussions affecting our lives.

To highlight the dual discrimination faced by lesbians

We amplify the voices of lesbians and highlight the dual discrimination experienced by lesbians as women who are same-sex attracted in a male-dominated society.

To protect children who may grow up to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual

We work to protect children from harmful, unscientific ideologies that may lead them to believe either their personality or their body is in need of changing. Any child growing up to be lesbian, gay or bisexual has the right to be happy and confident about their sexuality and who they are.

To promote free speech on lesbian, gay and bisexual issues

We promote freedom of speech and informed dialogue on issues concerning the rights of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals. We assert that different opinions, even those we may disagree with, should be heard as part of the public debate.'

In which way do they not support gay rights?

One is arguing for bodily autonomy. The other is arguing against it. Both claim to support women. Only one actually has policies that would benefit women. Would you welcome both?

Yes.

Both would be run by women, speaking for women, who are entitled to have their voices, to disagree with each other, to stand up for different things and to make their own case.

What is the alternative? Some higher authority who will decide on behalf of women what is good and right and silence everyone not on message? That's called totalitarianism. I want no part of it.

@Waitwhat23

LGB's mission statement from their website -

'Our Mission

To advance lesbian, gay and bisexual rights

We advance the interests of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals, and stand up for our right to live as same-sex attracted people without discrimination or disadvantage. We will ensure that the voices of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals are heard in all public and political discussions affecting our lives.

To highlight the dual discrimination faced by lesbians

We amplify the voices of lesbians and highlight the dual discrimination experienced by lesbians as women who are same-sex attracted in a male-dominated society.

To protect children who may grow up to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual

We work to protect children from harmful, unscientific ideologies that may lead them to believe either their personality or their body is in need of changing. Any child growing up to be lesbian, gay or bisexual has the right to be happy and confident about their sexuality and who they are.

To promote free speech on lesbian, gay and bisexual issues

We promote freedom of speech and informed dialogue on issues concerning the rights of lesbians, gay men and bisexuals. We assert that different opinions, even those we may disagree with, should be heard as part of the public debate.'

In which way do they not support gay rights?

By, you know, doing literally anything that benefits the lives of LGB people.

That's true @merrymouse

Trans people have fought for gay acceptance

Does that include Stonewall's Head of Trans Inclusion who wrote to Allison Bailey's (a Lesbian) Chambers - a letter described by the Judge as containing a threat inducing the Chambers to take action against Alison?

And why was a same-sex partner not seen as acceptable? Because it's not conforming with the expectations of your gender/sex.

Penny dropped yet?

But, but trans ideology locks in gender conformity. How else does a biological male claim to be a biological female??

Look how much light they have shone in just a few weeks.

If they did nothing then why is more than one of the mooted grounds for taking away their charitable status bound up in their doing stuff for the L, the G and the B but not the T?

lgballiance.org.uk/campaigns/

They seem to be doing quite a few campaigns and online events. What do you mean when you say By, you know, doing literally anything that benefits the lives of LGB people, specifically.

None of that list benefits gay and lesbian people?

Well that's certainly an opinion. I have a different one. I'll leave it there.

You are welcome to try to make LGB all about gender identity, but you're going to have to accept that not all LGB people agree, will see it your way, or believe that they should not be allowed to have a voice if it does not agree with yours.

Anyone seen this?

Link to tweet

Spot the difference 🤓

Did someone forget they were being sued?

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And why was a same-sex partner not seen as acceptable? Because it's not conforming with the expectations of your gender/sex.

No, because a same sex relationship won't produce children, and in a society dependent on human labour and hereditary principles, everyone has a duty to reproduce.

Gender expectations exist to maintain these roles. Women need specific sex based rights and protections to have freedom from these roles. Mermaids promotes the idea that anyone who does not comply with their assigned role must be the opposite sex.

People who are gender critical reject the need to conform to any gender expectations. People who believe in gender identity believe in gendered roles and behaviour. The clue is in the words.

@TheShadowyFeminist

Anyone seen this?

Link to tweet

Spot the difference 🤓

Did someone forget they were being sued?

🤔

Thank god that's archived, I knew stonewall were named.

@TheShadowyFeminist

Anyone seen this?

Link to tweet

Spot the difference 🤓

Did someone forget they were being sued?

🤔

For goodness sake. It's like watching the chuckle brothers.