Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence & Fox killer launch appeal against Charity Commission over LGB Alliance charity status

[FindTheTruth]

www.scotsman.com/news/people/lgbt-charities-launch-appeal-against-charity-commission-over-controversial-groups-status-3257923

"In April, the LGB Alliance was made a charity after the commission decided the group benefitted the public through its educational and awareness-raising activities about discrimination based on sexual orientation."

"On Tuesday, transgender children’s charity Mermaids launched an appeal against the decision at the first tier tribunal, supported by other charities and groups including Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, and the Good Law Project."

Like I wrote above, I think Stonewall wants to maintain plausible deniability that it is supporting this legal action using money it receives from public funding, and from other institutional sources.

Looking at the criticism Stonewall has received over the past week or so, to be shown to be funding an attack on a charity that's been set up to campaign on behalf of gay and bi people would really add to its woes.

Does Mermaids receive any public funding? I thought they did through their going into schools with their 'training'?

Does the removal of Stonewall damage their argument. It seems to me that Stonewall have years of experience support LGB, and therefore (although wrong) they have the expertise to say that LGBA shouldn't be a charity.

What can the remaining trans charities offer other than "we don't agree with them". Surely their must be a number of charities which may have opposing goals, and that can't be a reason for charity status to be removed?

What can the remaining trans charities offer other than "we don't agree with them". Surely their must be a number of charities which may have opposing goals, and that can't be a reason for charity status to be removed?

It's all part of the trans must be front and centre of everything, at all times isn't it?

I am not at all receptive to having any political lobby or person attempt to forcibly redefine my identity, what the word 'sex' means, to try to blur biological binary sex being a thing, or to forcibly insist that my homosexuality must be homogenderality.

completely agree @Artichokeleaves

It's not up to straight people to decide

Yet Joylon and Susie Green are straight.

@DeRigueurMortis

Trans people have fought for gay acceptance

Does that include Stonewall's Head of Trans Inclusion who wrote to Allison Bailey's (a Lesbian) Chambers - a letter described by the Judge as containing a threat inducing the Chambers to take action against Alison?

The same Stonewall's Head of Trans Inclusion who ran a course on the cotton ceiling?

AND

The same Stonewall's Head of Trans Inclusion opening the door to predators to prey on underage trans men in an LGBT youth group?

"silencing female victims of sexual assault within the community like trans men being assaulted by transwomen is actually pretty common but you're not allowed to talk about it"
[Testimony by Ben (@gnc_centric) a young detransitioned woman]

@ClingFilmAndGafferTape

It's not up to straight people to decide

Yet Joylon and Susie Green are straight.

I think the answer to that, to steal from Catherine Tate, is something along the lines of:

"Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but..."

Amazing the cognitive dissonance of telling others what they must do and say and then telling others they can't tell others what to do or say.

Is this correct?

It is thought that while the appeal is ongoing, the LGB Alliance’s charity status will be suspended, meaning it will not be entitled to the tax benefits.
www.vice.com/amp/en/article/akg37p/anti-trans-lgb-alliance-should-not-be-a-charity-say-uk-lgbtq-groups

Correction: This story originally said charity Stonewall was part of the legal appeal. This has now been corrected and updated.

Another clue about the involvement of Stonewall. Wonder who made the 'error'?

I get emails requesting donations from the Good Law Project because I have donated to their cases against the government's woeful, and possibly corrupt, handling of contracts during the pandemic. Someone needs to take the government to task. However, on receiving the email this morning requesting donations for the case against LBA, I have unsubscribed and told them the reason is that I don't agree with their stand on transgender issues. A very tiny action on my part, but it feels good! They won't be getting another penny from me for any of their other court cases, however good they might be.

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]Is this correct?

It is thought that while the appeal is ongoing, the LGB Alliance’s charity status will be suspended, meaning it will not be entitled to the tax benefits.
www.vice.com/amp/en/article/akg37p/anti-trans-lgb-alliance-should-not-be-a-charity-say-uk-lgbtq-groups[/quote]
I find that hard to believe.

Otherwise what's to stop anyone appealing to the Charity Commission about the charitable status of Mermaids, Stonewall etc and having their status suspended?

Or Cancer UK? McMillan?

The LGBA actually has charitable status. It's not pending. It has been awarded.

@drum123

I get emails requesting donations from the Good Law Project because I have donated to their cases against the government's woeful, and possibly corrupt, handling of contracts during the pandemic. Someone needs to take the government to task. However, on receiving the email this morning requesting donations for the case against LBA, I have unsubscribed and told them the reason is that I don't agree with their stand on transgender issues. A very tiny action on my part, but it feels good! They won't be getting another penny from me for any of their other court cases, however good they might be.

Ditto! Actually I did it a few weeks ago, but I'm still feeling the afterglow - especially given this latest shitshow it's involved in.

One is arguing for bodily autonomy. The other is arguing against it. Both claim to support women. Only one actually has policies that would benefit women. Would you welcome both?

So much to unpick - what does bodily autonomy mean? Who decides what benefits women?

However I can’t even begin to start a conversation if I can’t define what a woman is, or why women might have a particular need to protect their bodily autonomy.

I'm just musing a bit.

Over reach. Failing to see the writing on the wall.

Does anyone remember when U2 assumed they were universally loved, and got Apple to download a new album onto every Apple customer's account? Only to realise that the assumption of universal love wasn't as universal as they'd thought?

I'm sure there's still lots of U2 fans around. But they've been dissuaded of the notion that everyone thinks they're the bees knees, in a universally public self inflicted way.

I'm getting heavy U2 vibes off this...

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

yeahbutnaw you've told us that trans people have fought for years for gay rights with no evidence. That the majority of LGB Alliance supporters are straight. Now you're saying that LGB Alliance doesn't support gay rights.

Where is your evidence for these assertions?

yeahbutnaw anything to add?

Yeahbutnaw, you say the LGB Alliance are not doing literally anything that benefits the lives of LGB people.

Their list of principles and policies states the opposite. However, I know that people don't always do what they say they will do.

So could you tell me of any way in which the LGB Alliance fails to do what it claims to do? Allowing for the fact that they focus solely on non-trans LGB people.

Otherwise what's to stop anyone appealing to the Charity Commission about the charitable status of Mermaids, Stonewall etc and having their status suspended?

Exactly. After all anyone could do that couldn't they. And as far as I can see, there would be very good reason to make genuine complaints about both of these organisations.

I remember when I used to go to gay bars in the 2000s. The gay men used to take up most of the space and were served first at the bar; in fact nobody else got much of a look in with the male bar staff. The lesbians hung out in small groups in the back room by the pool tables. The cross dressers (as they were then) were in a smaller group in the back room near the lesbians. We were all in jeans and T-shirts and they were in heels, fishnets and tiny leather skirts.

I didn't see much evidence of anyone supporting anyone really. It was all very siloed. Plus ca change.

From the crowd justice page

We, the country’s leading LGBTQ+ charities and organisations, speak with the single voice of a single community

Surely that wasn't true when Stonewall was involved (or are LGBA not part of the "community"), and is even less true now that Stonewall have decided to not put their name to it?

Something that might have been missed in all this furore is the 5 new trustees LGBA have secured.

“ The new trustees are TV executive Eileen Gallagher OBE, Founder and former CEO of Shed Media Group which was responsible for Bad Girls and Footballers’ Wives; strategy consultant Conrad Roeber who was the primary author of IPSO’s recent report into the treatment of transgender-related issues by the UK press; Kathleen Stock OBE who is Professor of Philosophy at Sussex University and author of recently published Material Girls; Robert Wintemute, Professor of Human Rights Law at King’s College London and a signatory of the 2007 Yogyakarta Principles (but who is now critical of Principles 3 and 31) and Lord Young of Norwood Green, a Labour Party life peer who was former General Secretary of the National Communications Union and a former Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills and later at the Department for Business, Innovation & Skills.”

I'm speculating here but I think the highlighted name could be part of the reason that the LGBT Borg are losing their shit in such a spectacular way.

Link to article

I just saw that article too - what's the significance of Wintemute?

Just came to post that! Great list

I'm hearing rumours that Lesbian Labour are saying that Channel 4 have dropped Stonewall...

Well, colour me surprised that Stonewall did a massive reverse ferret and realised that trying to remove charitable status from an organisation set up for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals isn't a good look for a charity originally set up for....I think you can all finish the rest of the sentence.