Young, Male and Anti-Feminist – The Gen Z Boys Who Hate Women

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Sorry it's Vice, but possibly worth discussing: www.vice.com/en/article/dyv7by/anti-feminist-gen-z-boys-who-hate-women

Half of young men in the UK now believe that feminism has “gone too far and makes it harder for men to succeed”. These are the results of a significant study published in July 2020 by anti-extremism charity HOPE not Hate. The study, Young People in the Time of COVID-19, surveyed 2,076 16- to 24-year-olds on their ideological beliefs.

I'm interested in what you make of the charities that exist to tackle this though.

@TriteMale Your post about suicide is the exact type of self-absorbed misogynistic rubbish that forces women to go more radical into feminism. You talk like WOMEN don't commit suicide, either? Like only men commit suicide. Women DIE because men bash them to death, or because they commit suicide. You don't have the corner of the market on suicides, so how dare you make suicide a male-only topic?

You, are exactly the toxic and belligerent chauvinist that causes women to be feminists. You are your own worst enemy. You can't even see it.

@TriteMale

The suggestion that we should ignore the leading cause of death of young men due to the actions of a small percentage of men.''

Who has said that?

The poster upthread who suggested that a day to talk about male suicide was "deeply offensive" as would be any criticism of trying to shut it down.

Mate, if men liked feminism then we'd be doing it wrong.

I disagree. For most men, a woman (their wife/partner) is their most cherished human in the whole world and somebody they would happily give their life to save. Same for women. It may be a cheesy term but some women too about their 'bae' (before any other).

The vast majority of men and women want to get on with the opposite sex and want their loved ones to succeed and live fulfilled lives.

@TriteMale Quote me RIGHT, if you are going to quote me. I said INTERNATIONAL MEN'S DAY, is deeply offensive. Not a day to talk about male suicide. Two entirely different things.

@TriteMale

Which poster was that? Which date time etc?

The one I quoted further up this page who said:

"You are insinuating that feminists were wrong to shut IMD down - you don't seem to understand how deeply offensive the suggestion of an IMD even is, or why it is deeply offensive."

I just don't see what feminists gain from actively trying to stop men talking about male suicide, encouraging each other to share their feelings, and prioritising healthy role models for young men.

@TriteMale Again, you are being deliberately deceitful. No one has problem with men talking about male suicide. That is completely different to IMD.

@TriteMale

So she didn't say what you posted at all then..

'The suggestion that we should ignore the leading cause of death of young men due to the actions of a small percentage of men.''

Suggesting that women should try and actively stop men holding events to discuss male suicide is kind of saying this.

@TriteMale Er, no, it is not 'kind of', in fact it's not even remotely like that. Hold a day to discuss male suicide - fine. Having an International Mens Day - not fine.

@TriteMale

However, what you may not completely understand is that for many women, IMD is predominantly used as a jibe on IWD, over and over and over again, to the point it actually became a trope that the comedian Richard Herring used to spend the whole of IWD tweeting “19 November” to the literally dozens and dozens and dozens of men who would inevitably ask, year after year, “so when’s IMD?”

I didn't know this and can imagine it would be frustrating. However, I still can't comprehend why people would protest the event once it had been booked and was in the process of being organised - i.e. was actually going to come to fruition rather than just being something thrown around in arguments. But I guess most of the protesters were students and I'm not particularly convinced of the analytical abilities of many students nowadays after the whole trans debate (likely more linked to their age and group [sheep] mentality rather than the fact they call themselves feminists). I doubt they are very close in ideology to most of the feminists of here once you get past the bits most feminists agree on universally like the pay gap needing fixed etc

@TriteMale However, I still can't comprehend why people would protest the event once it had been booked

How could they protest something that they hadn't even been aware of? Obviously the event became public knowledge because it was booked. Hence, the protest.

Just in case anyone wants to know more about the "protest" aka open letter that caused York Uni to cancel it's IMD event

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/student/news/university-york-cancels-international-men-s-day-plans-after-students-and-staff-protest-dr-adrian-lee-s-controversial-comments-a6737406.html%3famp

But you know, this just proves the point that men are being put off feminism by inaccurate Internet memes created by various mens rights/incel groups.

Have also been reading "men who hate women" and I'd highly recommend you do too trite. You might be surprised to find who's actually influencing you

It is very unsurprising to me that a male poster is mainly concerned with the likelihood of getting sex (or "attracting a partner" if we're being nice) based on feminism.

Women have an existence outside sexual utility to men - it's literally one of the key points of feminism.

@PleasantBirthday: women’s concerns are - we would like to stop being raped, sexually assaulted, abused and murdered. Men’s concerns: it’s not fair that hot men get young hot female partners.

Exactly. Women - I'd like a fair shot at making a safe, secure life for myself. Men - that doesn't seem to prioritise me getting sex.

@TeaAndStrumpets

Well I found your comments interesting tritemale, thanks for your contribution.

I second this 😊

I highly suggest all the women here stop interacting with tritemale

He has done what has become a running joke among feminists due to its commoness: turned a discussion about feminism into a discussion about men's rights. It is always deliberate when they do this, please, see this for what it is.

Men as a class are not oppressed, all of us here know that. Please don't spend your precious time defending feminism to men who are comitted to misunderstanding and derailing it. Keep the focus on women and girls.

Indeed, @IJustWantSomeBees

@AssassinatedBeauty

Indeed, *@IJustWantSomeBees*

I agree.

Not caught up.

Interested to see that despite a keen interest in the issue of suicide rates in men. The poster hasn't heard of the charities that exist to tackle it which I found on Google in 3 secs.

And I mean everyone's heard of movember surely? They're doing something..

Hmm. Strange that these things are not known to such a keen activist.

'Men as a class are not oppressed, all of us here know that'

At a class level no not compared to women and girls.

However. There are plenty of issues that need addressing. Loads.

Low attainment in school amongst certain groups of white boys. The whole idea that reading/ learning is not something to be seen doing. Rates of depression and suicide. The high levels among certain groups/ in certain areas of smoking, drinking, obesity. Areas with a main employer losing that employer. Drug / alcohol addiction. Turning to gangs/ other groups that get violent in order to find a community. In London the treatment of black men and boys by the met. County lines and elsewhere being exploited and groomed by gangs. The impact of seeing so much deeply misogynist porn on their views of girls and ability to form decent relationships and also affecting sex drive. The deeply toxic messages that always existed for young men who felt most that are amplified by the internet. The seeming difficulty with becoming independent, taking responsibility, moving past the viewpoint of more immature years.

Yes there is a lot.

Men in this country and all others pretty much (except Iceland?) hold the political power, the financial power, the decision making roles in corporations etc.

So yes there are problems. It is in men's hands to address them.

The charities I mention from Google... Not heard of them?

So the activism doesn't consist of positive action.

If the only activism is to tell Feminists they're awful for not focusing on male issues...

That feeds into an earlier point.

Stop telling mum off for being mean and not understanding you.

You care. It's important to you.

Support the charities that work for the things you care about. Volunteer. Go on male dominated sites and get support. Raise awareness.

You can do that stuff.

If your only activism is telling women off then you're not interested in the things mentioned at all. You're just resentful of women.

Grow up.

It's nothing to do with capitulating

I can see this is something you really care about. I assumed you would be aware of the charities working on the issue.

Who is trying to police anyone? No one has stopped you posting!

I simply assumed that as a man who is really concerned about male suicide rates you would be aware of the male led charities around it and maybe have a view on their strategies. That's all.

The link isnt about how lots of men hate feminism. That really is a trite statement.
Its about men and boys being radicalised into a hate movement, that lies about what feminism is and does.

We've already seen multiple examples of those lies. There was an entire thread of them deleted, which you referenced as fact, and you also lied about one of the comments made on that thread.