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Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

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Fallingirl · 27/05/2021 21:39

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

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TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 21:56

Quick! I've found 'em! Sapphos, make sure you distribute this image far & wide, to ensure maximum forewarning. If you link to the crowdfunder so people know not to donate to fund the seriously determined men with guns, on a hair trigger waiting for posie's command...

Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.
Sophoclesthefox · 01/06/2021 21:56

You’ve utterly missed the point sapphos.

I have no idea why I thought you wouldn’t. Please, as you were. Carry on with your outlandish fantasy that this is all a secret plot to set up women’s shelters in order to have them staffed by armed men.

Erikrie · 01/06/2021 21:57

You really think she's using this money to fund her (allegedly) gun touting maverick ways?

You. Really. Think. That? Seriously?

TinselAngel · 01/06/2021 22:00

To be fair, she could try my uncle - he's in his late 70s, farms, has a licensed shotgun knocking around somewhere & would probably agree that women's refuges should be single sex.

Farmers are very busy, I can't imagine they'd have time to be Refuge Vigilantes, what with having to be back in time to milk the cows etc, but maybe the NFU could organise a rota if we ask them nicely.

ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 01/06/2021 22:11

Are we still allowed to ask 'are you on glue?' on here?

It seems apt.

SapphosRock · 01/06/2021 22:13

Someone obviously asked Posie if she is on glue as she removed the video

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 01/06/2021 22:20

@SapphosRock

Someone obviously asked Posie if she is on glue as she removed the video
But you just said Also Posie hasn't changed her mind or said anything to the contrary about her men with guns strategy. As far as I know she still thinks it's a great idea.

If Posie thought it was a great idea, wouldn't she have left it up?

TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 22:24

Also Posie hasn't changed her mind or said anything to the contrary about her men with guns strategy. As far as I know she still thinks it's a great idea.

Someone obviously asked Posie if she is on glue as she removed the video

There's a smidgen of contradiction in these 2 posts. Can't quite put my finger on it 🤔 It's almost as though people post any old nonsense as long as it fills the remit of hyperbolic posie musings. Cos she's eeeeveeeeel...

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Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.
TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 22:26

X-d posts.

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SapphosRock · 01/06/2021 22:28

If Posie thought it was a great idea, wouldn't she have left it up?

Maybe. If she was, in fact, on glue then not forgivable but slightly more understandable.

CharlieParley · 01/06/2021 22:35

Then Posie comes along and makes these cavalier remarks about men with guns going into female spaces and here you are cheering her on. Does it not piss you off that she's making GC feminism look a bit deranged?

Have you read anything any of us have said in response to your persistent attempts to get us to denounce Posie?

She's not a feminist, GC or otherwise. By her own definition.

And even if she were, feminism is a broad movement with very many different strands. Many of those are in open disagreement with others. There is no single arbiter of feminism, no regulator and no spokeswoman to speak for all women. We could both be feminists and not agree on hundreds of issues. That doesn't make either of us better than the other.

The world is not black and white. People are not evil for having objectionable opinions. Not even if they have several.

I have met many women who believe, like Posie does, that women who are abused have allowed that to happen and that they themselves couldn't ever have ended up in that situation. You cannot convince these women that they are wrong by calling them bigots or misogynists or victim-blaming arseholes.

I also don't see the point in condemning the whole person for ill-informed opinions. Or to distance myself from them. I'm rather opinionated myself and would have to stop talking to everyone I know. Including my family.

And that would be daft given that gently enquiring how those women reached those conclusions and respectfully engaging with them on their (in my view) debatable opinion has proven far more successful in changing minds than denouncing them.

I hold ill-informed, objectionable opinions on some issues, often without even knowing it. I have changed my mind on some of those after I was made aware of this. This will be a true statement about myself until the day I die. Even though I continually educate myself on stuff I don't know about.

The world would be a worse place if we never worked towards a common goal with those we disagree with on other goals. And we would never get anything done that way either.

So, feel free to condemn Posie. Don't donate to her fundraiser. Your choice.

And we make our own choices. Do understand that those of us who do donate, do it not because we agree with everything Posie says and does but because we agree with her on this fundraising goal.

And that many of us will make a decision based on the merits of an endeavour and not solely on the person suggesting it. Yes, that includes trans rights campaigners. If one of them fundraised for a cause that was dear to me, I would still contribute.

CorvusPurpureus · 01/06/2021 22:38

Anyway, so this is getting expensive - I'm up to £30 in the pot.

I've also had to tell Uncle Dave to stand down with his twelvebore, & that'll cost me a pint to assuage his disappointment

SapphosRock · 01/06/2021 22:41

Anyway, so this is getting expensive - I'm up to £30 in the pot.

That is one serious glue habit you're funding.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 01/06/2021 22:41

I don't think Posie is on glue, but she has been immersed in campaigning for women's rights for some years and speaking to and with many feminists, from A Woman's Place to Dr Julia Long. Which in some people's opinion, is worse for the mind than glue. Wink

I think that people change their minds and soften their opinions on things through dialogue, and that's the entire point of conversation. Posie must have had a lot of real world conversations with feminists and women subjected to domestic violence now.

So I'm not sure why people assume one post from whenever defines Posie's opinions on domestic violence for all time. Is she supposed to be made of unbreakable diamond?

Anyway, she's not planning to run it, so whatever.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/06/2021 22:44

In for a penny in for a pound,

If this thread was about anyone else...it would have been deleted by now

NiceGerbil · 01/06/2021 22:45

Not really caught up but saw a few posts and I'm intrigued by the idea Posie will set stuff up get vulnerable women and children in and then BOOM a load of armed men.

It's really really hard to get hold of firearms in England (my neck of the woods).

Exactly what contacts do you think she has??!!

I mean I know a fair few dodgy people but guns are next level.

NiceGerbil · 01/06/2021 22:47

@SapphosRock

Anyway, so this is getting expensive - I'm up to £30 in the pot.

That is one serious glue habit you're funding.

This is also an unpleasant term.

Glue is cheap.

Do you remember when it was a big killer of teens in the UK?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 01/06/2021 22:47

About fifteen years ago, a police officer told me it would cost £600 to purchase an illegal firearm from a criminal.

I assume it's more expensive now.

TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 22:53

Does posie look like a gangster's moll or something? Is she fronting an OCG? Will a CHIS give her up to AC12? Can they reach her before H organises a hit?

Mother of God, can someone unravel this mystery before we all end up on glue?

NiceGerbil · 01/06/2021 22:53

I got held up once at work by a man with a sawn off shotgun.

It's a big thing- as soon as you have a gun, if you get caught it's automatic jail term.

That's the only gun I've seen in real life in daily life, as it were.

Gun crime here is pretty rare.

After dunblane things were really tightened up.

Farmers etc can get them I think? Is that who she's bringing in?

As I say I know a fair amount of pretty dodgy people. Guns just aren't a thing. Hard to get hold of. Hard to get ammo for. Escalates things. And if you're caught you're going down for ages.

SapphosRock · 01/06/2021 22:53

Do you remember when it was a big killer of teens in the UK?

Seriously we are going there? My comments about the price of glue is more offensive than a video encouraging men with guns into female toilets? In schools? (whether Posie was on glue at the time yet to be determined).

Guns have killed a more people than glue has, particularly in American schools.

OhHolyJesus · 01/06/2021 22:54

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

In for a penny in for a pound,

If this thread was about anyone else...it would have been deleted by now

That's true - so many other threads about say Sam Smith or Eddie Izzard - would never last this long.
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/06/2021 22:56

That's true - so many other threads about say Sam Smith or Eddie Izzard - would never last this long

Hell no

Deleted for either

‘Not in the spirit’

Or

‘About an individual’

(Which, lets be fair, is every fucking thread on mumsnet

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/06/2021 22:56

Oh bum

Forgot to close the brackets

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TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 22:57

@SapphosRock

Do you remember when it was a big killer of teens in the UK?

Seriously we are going there? My comments about the price of glue is more offensive than a video encouraging men with guns into female toilets? In schools? (whether Posie was on glue at the time yet to be determined).

Guns have killed a more people than glue has, particularly in American schools.

Touché

I think we passed the threshold for 'seriousness' some time ago.

Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.
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