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Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

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Fallingirl · 27/05/2021 21:39

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

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TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 17:54

@shesellsseacats

No it's not. I don't know what to say to that, are you asking me to list them?!!

You could try that. With links. You know, evidence of your endless claims of posie = evil.

I'm not even that fussed about posie. I don't watch her videos, don't follow her on the few remaining platforms she's on, I've not bought a thing from her and she's not high up in my list of people to listen to or whatever.

But this excessive, obsessive, pernicious & frankly pointless repetitive spamming threads here where she's mentioned, as opposed to actually challenging her where she can have the chance to answer all the charges levelled at her, makes me think there's definitely something she's doing right. Cos I'm buggered if I can tell why TF people posting here are obsessed to this extent.

It's creepy AF quite frankly.

Erikrie · 01/06/2021 18:09

It's creepy AF quite frankly.

Yes.

Cailleach1 · 01/06/2021 18:10

So, only publicly funding provision that agree to create mixed sex spaces which they then still label as spaces for women and girls.

In effect having to operate according to a belief system that contradicts fact. And most importantly doesn't prioritise the needs of the women and girls who find themselves in so desperate a situation they require such services.

So, they are really targeting women who find themselves desperate, vulnerable or trapped. Refuges, shelters and prisons. I read on Wolf that ACLU in Washington (US) is allegedly suppressing information about the placement of violent males and rapists amongst incarcerated women.

One woman inmate (don't know which prison) stated that allegedly the women are being locked in a room with males. Allegedly, if the women inmates object to this mixed sex situation, they get written up for infractions or threatened with solitary.

These have to go down as contemporary human rights abuses. The state would be an accessory to any sexual assault or rape by these males in my opinion. It is terrorising women and girls.

I won't do any links. The fellow travellers and supporters of such activity against women and girls don't like the trail of such information being reported.

TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 18:15

My algorithms must be reading this thread.

Just saw this on twitter

Link to tweet

Seems apt 😁

Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.
SapphosRock · 01/06/2021 18:19

But this excessive, obsessive, pernicious & frankly pointless repetitive spamming threads here where she's mentioned, as opposed to actually challenging her where she can have the chance to answer all the charges levelled at her, makes me think there's definitely something she's doing right. Cos I'm buggered if I can tell why TF people posting here are obsessed to this extent.

You know that outrage you feel when trans activists tell women to enjoy their erasure? Or tell lesbians to such their girl dick and eat glass? The shock and bewilderment you feel when trans allies brush their behaviour off and minimise it, like it’s nothing?

You know you feel like you want to show other women what is happening? There’s even a resource thread on here of TRA screen shots for this very reason.

Well a lot of feminists feel that same outrage about Posie Parker encouraging men with guns into female toilets, telling abused women they were asking for it and all the other stuff we've been through on the thread.

The fact that she doesn’t think women have penises doesn’t magically make all her vile comments go away.

Erikrie · 01/06/2021 18:19

😂

Erikrie · 01/06/2021 18:23

TheShadowyFeminist that's quite a good account. I'm going to have a proper read of that.

ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn · 01/06/2021 18:23

@TheShadowyFeminist

My algorithms must be reading this thread.

Just saw this on twitter

Link to tweet

Seems apt 😁

Grin
Datun · 01/06/2021 18:40

shesellsseacats

Yes, I agree she is inflammatory. I agree she pokes things. It's her MO.

I disagree that it's for her own personal self-serving publicity. Her life and that of her family is under constant attack. It would be ridiculously counter-productive.

I will also never get this whole right-wing/left-wing divide. I'm pretty certain Posie is not right wing, but the whole point of women trying to make people understand these issues, is that they need to persuade everyone. Left-wing, right wing, extremist, zealots, the lot. If you're limited to persuading left-wing, like minded people of your goals, you'll obviously never achieve them.

Take a look at Dawn Butler's Twitter poll asking who people trust more, Liz Truss, or Stonewall. The resounding result is Liz Truss. With no-one anywhere near being able to persuade labour of the reasons why.

Posie is stirring things up, she is controversial, she is inflammatory. There is no other way of highlighting a situation where people are cowed, frightened, secretive and very, very intimidated.

And despite all this criticism of Posie's methods, no one is coming up with an alternative plan.

Vulnerable women in America are being told to 'brace themselves' for male inmates. This is happening, across-the-board, everywhere where women are in dire need of safety.

People want to donate to someone who has shown that they can stand up and say no, so loud you can hear it from space.

TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 18:47

Well a lot of feminists feel that same outrage about Posie Parker encouraging men with guns into female toilets, telling abused women they were asking for it and all the other stuff we've been through on the thread.

Well I'm calling bullshit on that. 'Feminists' are more outraged by Posie than the fact the system they operate in has been broken, they can't publicly reassure women they can have the female only space they need to flee to, and i the however many years since this blew up on MN, they've not worked out how to tackle the constant attack female only funding is under? Did you bother reading CharlieParley's post? That doesn't cause you more outrage? 🤨

That's a bit of a skewed perspective IMO & frankly is about as convincing as WPUK support of trans widows. But do carry on with the posie obsession. Cos it's totes convincing. 👍

Floisme · 01/06/2021 18:50

On the subject of inflammatory comments, I've seen a number on this thread to be honest, and they've not even all been about Posie Parker.

However if any of the posters concerned started a thread tomorrow about a cause supporting women and girls I would consider it.

That's not because I'm a nice, kind, forgiving person - I'm not in the slightest. But as I've already said, I try to support causes and not personalities.

Datun · 01/06/2021 19:00

@Floisme

On the subject of inflammatory comments, I've seen a number on this thread to be honest, and they've not even all been about Posie Parker.

However if any of the posters concerned started a thread tomorrow about a cause supporting women and girls I would consider it.

That's not because I'm a nice, kind, forgiving person - I'm not in the slightest. But as I've already said, I try to support causes and not personalities.

Same here. I can't think of a single woman's group where I agree with all their points. Some I disagree with more than others. Really vehemently.

I still support them.

And I'm just one person. You're never, in a million, zillion years, going to appeal to everyone. You're just not.

And I have no idea where the notion that you should, even comes from. It's clearly not workable. You'll get absolutely nowhere.

SapphosRock · 01/06/2021 19:06

If Posie was raising money for WPUK or Nia I would absolutely donate and if the money ends up going to either of these causes or similar I will still donate. If she was raising money for existing women's services then bloody good for her.

Nobody at WPUK or Nia has actively encouraged men with guns into women's spaces to cause drama. How do I know her getting men to invade female spaces brainwave doesn't apply to her vanity project refuge? I can only assume it does and she wants men to try and force their way in. It would be great publicity and prove how much her refuge is needed.

Yea fuck that.

SpindleWhorl · 01/06/2021 19:09

Nobody at WPUK or Nia has actively encouraged men with guns into women's spaces to cause drama. How do I know her getting men to invade female spaces brainwave doesn't apply to her vanity project refuge? I can only assume it does and she wants men to try and force their way in.

With the greatest respect, that post comes across as absolutely batshit.

Erikrie · 01/06/2021 19:17

There you go then Sapphos. You've reached your conclusion. You're not going to donate. You don't need to remain so invested obsessed anymore. It took you a long time to make up your mind. But you decided to donate elsewhere instead. And that's fine isn't it. Now you've decided that, based on a load of shit you don't need to spend all your efforts slurring PP in order to sabotage her efforts to get a single sex service up and running for women. Because that's rather petty. Isn't it...

Quaggars · 01/06/2021 19:18

Lol at Posie obsession - really, not - why is it to some she's beyond questioning, it must be '' because she doesn't look like a feminist'' (on this thread, and what is that even supposed to mean?!)
Or you're jealous, or whatever.
It's not the school playground

SapphosRock · 01/06/2021 19:21

@SpindleWhorl

Nobody at WPUK or Nia has actively encouraged men with guns into women's spaces to cause drama. How do I know her getting men to invade female spaces brainwave doesn't apply to her vanity project refuge? I can only assume it does and she wants men to try and force their way in.

With the greatest respect, that post comes across as absolutely batshit.

No but do you know what is batshit? Suggesting men (with guns) go into their children's schools and go into the girls toilets.

Here's Posie suggesting exactly that:

vimeo.com/557073645

Erikrie · 01/06/2021 19:23

It's not the school playground

You could have fooled me ☺️

Quaggars · 01/06/2021 19:24

@SpindleWhorl

Nobody at WPUK or Nia has actively encouraged men with guns into women's spaces to cause drama. How do I know her getting men to invade female spaces brainwave doesn't apply to her vanity project refuge? I can only assume it does and she wants men to try and force their way in.

With the greatest respect, that post comes across as absolutely batshit.

Instead of just dismissing as batshit - why did she say it? It's a valid point. Because why would you say that about men with guns should go in to women's spaces if it was just a joke to make a point or whatever? Seeing as that's what everyone doesn't want, it's not fucking funny if she didn't mean it. Why just minimise? How do you know she wouldn't advocate for that in other spaces? It's not '' being obsessed'' Hmm it's genuine concerns.
TheShadowyFeminist · 01/06/2021 19:25

why is it to some she's beyond questioning

Well now, there's an interesting point. Cos no one here obsessing over posie is actually questioning her. Directly. Where she can answer the many gripes levelled at her.

Funny that 🤔

Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.
Erikrie · 01/06/2021 19:28

Well the best way to know that, if you have doubts, is to ask her. Then you'd have the answer to your concerns. No? Too much like hard work?

heathspeedwell · 01/06/2021 19:31

I'm really impressed with how much money Posie has manged to raise in just four days.

My birthday is coming up soon, so on Facebook I'm going to ask people to donate to the women's shelter, instead of giving me presents.

It will also hopefully get my friends and family thinking about why we so desperately need women-only shelters.

heathspeedwell · 01/06/2021 19:31

Every little helps.

CorvusPurpureus · 01/06/2021 19:33

Sapphos do you genuinely believe that Posie is planning on raising money for strictly women only refuges, in the U.K., with a view to encouraging armed men to enter them?

Is that really what you think?

By all means, don't support Posie's endeavours if you think she's not the most effective person to raise money for women's shelters, or you dislike her politics, her methods, her media presence or her personality.

Donate elsewhere - I think one thing everyone on this thread is agreed on is that as feminists, we have plurality of opinion & we can ALL find somewhere or someone to offer our support to. Or don't donate to women's refuges at all!

But do you seriously believe, on the basis of your interpretation of Posie's intemperate (agreed) remarks about self ID & bloody toilets, that bunging her fundraiser a tenner is funding armed males in women's refuges?

Because I'd agree with the previous poster that that IS frankly batshit.

Quaggars · 01/06/2021 19:33

Surely it's best for people on the thread, here, to discuss concerns though, like maybe not everyone knows about the inviting men with guns in women's spaces, or other things like the quote upthread about abuse victims only getting what they allow people to do to them .. why do people not want this mentioned?
Donate or don't donate, up to the person, but it's not being obsessed or jealous of Posie to bring this up for goodness sake.