Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

[Fallingirl]

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

Yes after reading through this thread again I would suggest that Posie Parker isn't the only one who's prone to shooting from the hip.

Sorry cross post

That thread is eye opening Potholes. Thank you for posting it.

This thread is from April 2019, and somewhat relevant, too.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3573710-Need-to-just-get-this-out

@Erikrie

This is handwritten advice for how to deal with complaints from a 'service user'

Gosh that's really horrible gaslighting guidance. So upsetting. Women who are already traumatised having to deal with this. 😡

I'm always sorry to post and making chance of getting help smaller every time by making them angry even though I say and mean it that most so wonderful and hard work. Still even though most good there are bad people and not help for all of us and I feel hopeless and destroying me living with fear everyday and low risk of murder because more common just violence without murder or suicide or early death stress ill health but still been nearly killed several times so some risk. Not always help though and if traumatised and no safe place to go and services too busy to help or don't want to help if they take against you or if they know nothing they can do to help, then just left with no help. Was left without help abruptly by bad person from the sector shc and when tried to get help not complain just get help from management, was gaslit even when I had written evidence of messages but they know nothing I can do. I need help and proof they didn't help me doesn't get me help.

With Posie thing I so desperate to be safe properly safe long term, been ongoing years never safe, don't care who gets me that. Sorry that's maybe bad of me but don't care what person says or does if no more violence or rapes or risk living in openly nothing to do with trans mixed sex housing which is what they try to do for some of us after or instead of refuge. Don't care what someone has said or done if got me safety and chance to recover and rebuild. I don't think I'll have that but before I die want to try make it better for other women. Probably won't but can't cope with being gagged and told to pretend no problems and there's enough help because there isn't and never will be when people think there already is.

It's a fascinating read. Apart from mumsnetters' research, which was as ever, exemplary, I notice MNer after MNer saying that we needed someone to stand up and fundraise for women's refuge and rape crisis centres that would be independent of local council funding.

Well, in May 2021, someone finally did.

And she's being criticised in ways too numerous to count.

Extraordinary isn't it?

Great post CharlieParley

Jean Many here disagree with what Posie said about victims of domestic violence, but what do you want us to do? To say that whatever she proposes cannot be supported because of this? To shun her because she said things we disagree with, even though many of us we agree with her aims? Should we just ignore that she is aiming for the same outcome as us because of her views on other things?

It isn’t that women here are trying to act as spin doctors for her, we just believe women should have single sex spaces, and that we should strongly oppose men violating our boundaries. Posie also believes in that, so many of us are in alignment with her on that position, and she is prepared to speak out publicly about the situation. It doesn’t mean we all agree with or endorse Posie’s comments about victims of DV, anymore than it means we endorse evopsych explanations of women’s oppression, we can disagree with these views and still support a fundraiser that aligns with our aims. It would be cutting off our nose despite our face in my opinion, to say even though she is in alignment with our aims we won’t support her, because we disagree with her views on X, Y, Z things. This is what I meant I about parking disagreements on these others things in order to support the ultimate aim. It seems to me Posie does park her differences of opinion to get things done and I think that is the best way to approach things, e.g. she may not agree with everything feminists like Shelia Jeffreys or Julia Long say, but she still offers them her support and she publicly states that she understands her limitations. So I cannot see any justification to shunning or condemning her it makes no sense to me.

I know you and others have done a lot of work to try and get women in the sector to speak out and I respect that, some are speaking out, but many feel they can’t. I don’t think Posie is undermining those who have spoken out, neither does it seem to me that she is criticising everyone in the sector, it seems to me she just wants to help and thinks trying to start a new refuge and shining a light on this issue will be a good way to do this. Some agree with this approach and others don’t. The question is do we leave it and just hope things somehow turn out ok or do we draw attention to what is happening in the sector? How will leaving things as they are and hoping everything turns out ok, and the one’s who haven’t spoken out eventually do, be more helpful than drawing attention to the issue?

Not even point of refuges single sex for women without children or children over 18 if after you have to go to mixed sex housing. Even shared bad and too traumatising for some of us and it's not being picky or difficult like people told me I was being it's really serious deep fear and trauma and desperate deep need for privacy and dignity of own safe space. Even if has to be shared definitely no good if mixed sex including people just out of prison. Wrong to tell women to leave it nowhere safe after refuge as just makes it worse because either homeless or dangerous housing or back with abuser and worse thing of all is no one cares and also they all blame you for being fussy in their minds it's being fussy.

I'm always sorry to post and making chance of getting help smaller every time by making them angry even though I say and mean it that most so wonderful and hard work.

Gosh post away. I'm just angry at that situation where it's women that get thrown out on the street if they don't agree / feel unsafe with the gaslighting ideology. The more sunlight on these situations the better. ♥️

OMG this thread. I’m now going to give double what I’d originally planned.

Totally agree: what’s needed here is sunlight (and perhaps a general campaign to councils etc to remind them what the exemptions in the equality act actually SAY. Two deaths a week. They have blood on their hands).

Maybe people are posting comments to encourage all those giving to give double? Effective since so many people say they are.

Maybe people are posting comments to encourage all those giving to give double? Effective since so many people say they are

You think all the naysayers are posting slurs about Posie in order to get people to donate double?

I very much doubt that.

I'm sure people decide for themselves what they can afford to donate, how much to donate, it even not to donate at all if they don't want to.

 all the flowers for you @nosafeguardingadults

I wish each bunch was a layer of safety for you and it took away every reason you have to feel fear.

You don't ever need to apologise for wanting a safe place and for not caring who gives it to you.

I will be donating again because of you and your posts. I wish I won the lottery and could buy you a house. I wish you, and Detroit and all the women who have been in similar positions never had to run.

I cannot physically stand in between you and him so I will do this, but if it came down to it, I and many, many other women would link arms around you, hide you, house you and keep that fucking Wolf from your door. I just wish it was easier, but it isn't, so let's just get in with it.

OH, my post was deleted. I don't know what I said that was so extreme in some form or shape that some individual or activist reported it. Maybe it referred to reality.

Or is Aja, with an artistic performance about her human rights as a female triggering and too subversive?

Sunlight, sunlight, sunlight. I'll be prioritising women in these regressive dark ages. Posie needs to keep that fundraiser open for as long as possible, to collect as much as possible for single sex spaces.

@unwashedanddazed

Shesellsseacats Yes, it will throw light on the sector but if Posie's spreading false rumours on what's actually happening for publicity, that could be counterproductive. It also shits all over the women who are doing work in the sector already, publicly and behind the scenes

Posie isn't spreading rumours or lies. The fact that males are being allowed into what are supposed to be women only spaces isn't exactly news. This has been going on for years and everyone knows it. She hasn't just made it up!

She isn't shitting on the sector she's illuminating the fact that if services want govt funding they are forced to accept males because of the ridiculous ideology and wrong legal advice being forced on them by the likes of Stonewall, TELI etc.

But, that's not true.

Her video is full of inaccuracies and here you are spreading them.

There are no such strings attached to UK government funding (AFAIK).

The decisions are happening at local level, and it's far from all refuges.

Her video is full of inaccuracies and here you are spreading them.

No it's not.

There are no such strings attached to UK government funding (AFAIK).

AFAIK? So you're claiming someone else is spreading falsehoods & you don't even know for certain your dismissal of what others have said, including PP, is factual?

There are funding restrictions on the Equally Safe fund in Scotland that requires support orgs to submit their plans for that funding, including how they will plan for/cater to LGBT women. Last I checked, Scotland was still part of the UK. That 'T' in there isn't about women who claim to be men, meaning it's still single sex. That's males who claim to be women. Failing to include a plan on how to accomodate those males who claim to be women results in funding applications being rejected.

When women are posting here, telling you what they've gone & actually found about what's happening in the women's support sector, it would be courteous if you would arm yourself with some facts before you jump in & add to the pernicious pile on, on someone who can't even answer the smears cos she's been banned from here, while implying women here are also posting falsehoods.

And to save you some time, here's the evidence that the funding criteria requires an LGBT inclusion plan for funding applications.

Link to FOI with attached criteria & application formm*

Seriously. Are we still at the point where women posting here are being dismissed as just outrage merchants unable to read & research? The posie fan club? The one thing MNetters are, especially in FWR, is meticulous in their research. Maybe others coming here to have a wee party with all the posie haters could try operating on the same level. Optimistic of me, I know, but I live in hope...

Still over 120 posts to go before the thread is full. What else can be next? Can anyone say for sure posie wasn't seen looking shifty wandering around Wuhan about 18 mths ago? I mean, what else shall we try and lay at Posie's door?

@TheShadowyFeminist

There are no such strings attached to UK government funding (AFAIK).

AFAIK? So you're claiming someone else is spreading falsehoods & you don't even know for certain your dismissal of what others have said, including PP, is factual?

There are funding restrictions on the Equally Safe fund in Scotland that requires support orgs to submit their plans for that funding, including how they will plan for/cater to LGBT women. Last I checked, Scotland was still part of the UK. That 'T' in there isn't about women who claim to be men, meaning it's still single sex. That's males who claim to be women. Failing to include a plan on how to accomodate those males who claim to be women results in funding applications being rejected.

When women are posting here, telling you what they've gone & actually found about what's happening in the women's support sector, it would be courteous if you would arm yourself with some facts before you jump in & add to the pernicious pile on, on someone who can't even answer the smears cos she's been banned from here, while implying women here are also posting falsehoods.

And to save you some time, here's the evidence that the funding criteria requires an LGBT inclusion plan for funding applications.

Link to FOI with attached criteria & application formm*

Seriously. Are we still at the point where women posting here are being dismissed as just outrage merchants unable to read & research? The posie fan club? The one thing MNetters are, especially in FWR, is meticulous in their research. Maybe others coming here to have a wee party with all the posie haters could try operating on the same level. Optimistic of me, I know, but I live in hope...

Still over 120 posts to go before the thread is full. What else can be next? Can anyone say for sure posie wasn't seen looking shifty wandering around Wuhan about 18 mths ago? I mean, what else shall we try and lay at Posie's door?

I said the UK government, not the Scottish Government.

It might sound like it's splitting hairs but it isn't.

I didn't say that there aren't areas in the UK where there is happening. There are, and this is why we're all here. What's happening in Scotland is horrific.

What I said was there aren't strings attached to UK government funding.

Perhaps I should have made it clearer I meant central gvt funding for the whole of the UK, but that is what I meant.

But to put out the message - which Posie has - that there are practically no refuges left by women for women, when there are, is wrong.

If you were seeking refuge, traumatised by the thought of sharing with men, can't you see that the message that there are no services left for women may put women off seeking refuge, which would be a fucking tragedy if there are women-only places near them.

No, it's not good enough that women can't guarantee this or that it's not standard. But neither is exaggerating what's happening. It could have very real negative consequences for the very women we're all meant to be helping here.

No it's not. I don't know what to say to that, are you asking me to list them?!!

shesellsseacats

Instead of telling women here that Posie it has made some inaccuracies in her video, why not lend her a hand, and let her know yourself?

[email protected]

Why can't people point out on the thread though?
Instead of linking to a store saying '' tell her yourself she made one?!''
I'm with the other poster, if there are inaccuracies, surely it's better not to spread false information as fact, or expect people to all play ostrich?

@Datun

shesellsseacats

Instead of telling women here that Posie it has made some inaccuracies in her video, why not lend her a hand, and let her know yourself?

[email protected]

She won't care, honestly.

She's framed the women's sector as the enemy as she wants to position herself in opposition to it. She says things that are massively inflammatory all the time, that aren't always obvious to those it's not aimed at. It's how she operates. And then people react to it, and it generates a load of publicity. This thread is a case in point.

I used to massively support Posie. Like many others, she didn't lose my support because of being a strong woman, or outspoken or unafraid to say what she means, I loved all those things about her.

I started changing my opinion of her when I saw her be unnecessarily cruel to other women. And, when I started realising that her "accidental" courting of racists and right wingers is actually far from accidental, (how many times, now?!).

She wants to stir controversy to get people talking about her. I think it's dangerous and toxic to the movement and it's a shame others can't see it.

It all feeds into the narrative of Posie, bravely standing against others who unfairly do her down, and makes her fans want to support her all the more.

It reminds me of my DD, when she was younger she'd pinch her brother when we thought the adults weren't looking, and then look all wide eyes and innocent when he reacted to it and deny everything. It was very effective and people thought her brother was being mean to her.

(She's long grown out of this now, thankfully!)

Posie is poking the women's sector (this time), and when people object, those who have no idea how inflammatory she's being are like "why are you being so mean? Must be jealousy or you don't like her being outspoken" while Posie, wide eyed, pretends she has no idea why everyone is so upset with her.

That's how I see it, anyway.

No it's not. I don't know what to say to that, are you asking me to list them?!

Yes go ahead.