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Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

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Fallingirl · 27/05/2021 21:39

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

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Datun · 27/05/2021 21:45

That's fantastic.

youkiddingme · 27/05/2021 21:54

Fantastic.Awful that it's come to this. But hurrah for Posie.

Thelnebriati · 27/05/2021 21:56

Excellent news. Women did this once and we can do it again.

Delphinium20 · 27/05/2021 21:59

At risk of cross posting...I'll just say that I hope it includes teen girls. Not sure how that works within UK safeguard protections, but very curious for personal reasons.

OhHolyJesus · 27/05/2021 21:59

Say what you like about Posie, she means what she says and gets off her arse and does what she says she's going to do.

If I was an abused woman I'd want her in my corner. Linking arms.

Damn right we've done it before and we'll do it again. Starting now.

Delphinium20 · 27/05/2021 22:00

And kudos to PP and supporters for this!

Sillydoggy · 27/05/2021 22:00

Go Posie!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/05/2021 22:10

Good for Posie. Let's rebuild women's services. This is what we did back in the 70s and we evidently need to start again.
By women, for women.

TwistedEyeOfHorus · 27/05/2021 22:42

How crazy that we have to do all of this again. But, yes, here we are and I will happily do what needs to be done.

howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:04

Is Posie planning to give the money to women's organisations already working in the sector?

Because, women in refuges deserve specialist (ideally feminist) help, it's more than just a roof over your head.

SpringCrocus · 27/05/2021 23:13

Dug with pleasure, as did DH. He was appalled to read her email. (when I showed it to him) and thought it was outrageous that Men were allowed in an allegedly Women only safe space, just because the Men said they identified as Women.

howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:13

Sorry, no way am I supporting this.

I just had a look at the crowdfunder and a little listen to the talk, where Posie charges, bull in a china shop as usual, into a sector she knows fuck all about.

If she seriously wants to move into women's services, is insulting the women who've spend fucking decades working in the sector really a good place to start?

Her ignorance & ego is dangerous. What a shame.

Fallingirl · 27/05/2021 23:14

I don’t know anything about practicalities; clearly there is a substantial amount of expertise built up, and it would be beyond foolish to try to proceed without drawing on this.

But Posie isn’t foolish, so I expect she is well aware of this.

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Cailleach1 · 27/05/2021 23:20

I imagine she will get the expertise on board. She should probably outline that a little.

Can it be worse than traumatised girls and women with nowhere else to go having to be at the mercy at abusive males in their midst.

howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:21

But Posie isn’t foolish, so I expect she is well aware of this

How well do you actually know her? Because if all you have to go on is her media persona, you don't know her very well. I don't think anyone who her anyone would call Posie a team player.

There are many, many women within the sector campaigning on this already. She hasn't even bothered to talk to them to see what they're doing, don't you think that's a bit odd?

If she's serious about doing this, I hope she finds an actual feminist organisation to partner with pretty damn quick, that actually has the experience, skills and people skills to know where to start with supporting women.

howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:22

@Cailleach1

I imagine she will get the expertise on board. She should probably outline that a little.

Can it be worse than traumatised girls and women with nowhere else to go having to be at the mercy at abusive males in their midst.

There are LOTS of places women and girls can go where they won't be subjected to men.

Yes this is a huge issue, but Posie's wrong that there are only 2 places with no men, no idea where she got that from.

howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:24

If you want to listen to some women who know what they're talking about on this, try these:

howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:25
with a moving account of why feminist is essential in women's services.
howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:26
on the campaign to stop Rise being defunded - including why specialist services are so important.
howtocomplain · 27/05/2021 23:28

I'd love to be proved wrong.

But until I see Posie partnering with someone who actually knows what the fuck they're doing, I can't see this as anything other than a vanity project I'm afraid.

Fallingirl · 28/05/2021 00:15

It’s bloody brilliant that other women are fighting for women only services, and those women’s efforts should not be demunished. We need more, though.

I don’t see Posie’s project as competition to this, but as an addition. We really need all hands on deck. The more women get involved the better.

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Datun · 28/05/2021 00:31

@howtocomplain

I'd love to be proved wrong.

But until I see Posie partnering with someone who actually knows what the fuck they're doing, I can't see this as anything other than a vanity project I'm afraid.

It's not my impression that Posie is motivated by vanity. I've never seen that. She's motivated by passion for protecting women and girls.

Her talent is to shake things up.

And in the same way the LGB Alliance shook things up by refusing to align themselves with the T, maybe Posie is doing the same.

And I'm sure she will make as many alliances as she needs to with experts in the field. Why wouldn't she?

Tibtom · 28/05/2021 00:43

howtocomplain what are you suggesting instead? That women unable to cope with men in a refuge self exclude?

PegasusReturns · 28/05/2021 00:50

Most women, even feminists who work in the sector have abandoned their principles and capitulated in allowing men to access the refuge facilities with which they’re involved.

Posie is standing up for women. Giving them a space away from men. Bloody good for her.

howtocomplain · 28/05/2021 01:09

And I'm sure she will make as many alliances as she needs to with experts in the field. Why wouldn't she?

Because she's not a team player, and because she doesn't respect the work other women do. This video and crowdfunder is a case in point.

There are loads of women already working in this sector, campaigning and doing work in public and behind the scenes, as they have been for decades. She's insulted their work in this video by implying they're not campaigning against men in refuges, by saying that there are only 2 refuges where women can go without men, and also by saying she's not going to "moan" about it - that's a dig at the women campaigning on this topic already.

No one can argue with her 2 refuges claim, though, as no one wants to bring attention to the refuges where women can have a space away from men.

And, yes, there are lots of managers and people with influence in the sector who need pulling up on wtf they think they're doing, bringing men into women's spaces - but that's not the whole picture and it's deeply offensive for Posie to suggest it is.

Entryism (it has a name, I can't remember - rent farming?) is a significant issue in women's services at the moment. There are lucrative contracts to be won - the contract Rise lost was for £5million over 7 years, for example. And they lost it to a non-specialist provider, a housing association.

The women who have been running refuges for years provide a specialist service. Non-specialists such as housing associations stepping in means women lose out on quality and this can mean their safety is put at risk. It's a race to the bottom. Posie would know this if she bothered to talk to anyone.

If she's serious, as I said, let's see her partner with someone who knows what they're doing. Also, she's only asking for £150k - how far is that going to go?!! It's a drop in the ocean! I notice it's in a crowdfunder where she gets the money even if she doesn't hit the target. There's no mention of where the money will go if she doesn't open a refuge.

And, if she knows of 2 refuges that already exist, then great, why not crowdfund for them, so they can expand their specialist, women-only services?

When the feminists in the 70s started women's refuges from scratch, there were no existing ones to learn from. We have a women's sector now, that's nearly 50 years old, (and some women who's been working in it for nearly that long). It would be madness to reinvent the wheel without their expertise in working with women who've suffered trauma and abuse.