Posie putting her money where her mouth is. Lets do this.

[Fallingirl]

Posie is planning to re-build the women’s sector, starting with crowd funding for a women-only refuge.

@Cailleach1

I imagine she will get the expertise on board. She should probably outline that a little.

Can it be worse than traumatised girls and women with nowhere else to go having to be at the mercy at abusive males in their midst.

That's what happens after or instead of refuge for some victims especially without children. No safe rehousing after refuge for some. Sometimes councils want to house victims in shared accommodation which can sometimes include with violent men just released from prison. Refuges pointless when that happens.

I feel that women like me end up either suicide or being murdered because not enough safe places. I'm sorry again to post. I know things won't change but it's very upsetting when people think there's safe places to go for victims. One example of many I had was applying as homeless to a local authority for help after refuge. They ignored phone and email for over a month then kept asking for same information again and again then after evidence from refuge and other specialists. They did a very detailed violating interview with me where I went over violence and abuse in so much detail then after all if this they say there's not enough evidence to house me for now even with physical evidence. They're lying but no one helped me when it happened and the council kept putting off doing anything and asking for things they already had. Meantime no one was helping me and just shrugging about it. These people who just shrugged are people who encouraged me to do it in the first place as I was too scared because I suspected what would happen and I was right.

Sorry again but people should know there isn't safe places for us all to go especially after refuges.

I am so sorry that you are being failed like this.

You mean Posie who has zero experience of being abused and wouldn't allow herself to be? That Posie. Ffs. Women are running single sex refuges and if approached would tell you that. The only ones shouting about not doing are doing that because it's safe. The women keeping their heads down but doing it anyway are in dire need of the backing of the umbrella orgs .... but that doesn't mean they aren't operating single sex policy on individual basis. There is a domestic abuse sector thriving and operated by radical feminist, second-wave women as there always has been. Donate to them. They know what they are doing.

This is an atrocious, self-promoting act. It is also a massive smack in the face to women of the movement on the front line every day saving women. They could really do with the funds.

@Artichokeleaves

The first shelters for women were in other women's homes.

We're down to the option of the specialist stuff having been taken, owned and redirected to be male centric, and as that appalling quote earlier in the thread shows, any female not able to be male centric even in the midst of their own worst nightmares happening to them, is to be isolated, excluded and left without services.

We're back to female people in desperate circumstances with nowhere to go, staying in awful situations, or in the case of one MNetter, living rough. I'd rather those female people had somewhere safe to go than worry right now about trying to convince those male people and their allies that female people have needs and human rights too. Because I think we're onto a loser there.

When you're starving, bread and water will do. The tea and cake and posh foods would be lovely, but the basic not starving part matters first and foremost.

Great post Artichokeleaves

Posue has a lot of experience in being abused by men threatening her threatening her children just because she has never been in an abusive relationship doesn't mean we should discount her especially since womans aid fell

This is an atrocious, self-promoting act. It is also a massive smack in the face to women of the movement on the front line every day saving women. They could really do with the funds.

Of course its not a massive smack in the face, what silly overblown language to use in the context of domestic violence.

Your gripes with Posie are all over the internet already. Do we really need another outing of this animosity?

I get fed up of this pointless drama.

Your gripes with Posie are all over the internet already. Do we really need another outing of this animosity?

Completely agree with CleanandPress. Take it elsewhere.

"Take it elsewhere"

No.

It's disgusting to slash at the established women's movement and this is not a personal attack it's a defence.

@Theunamedcat you are saying that online abuse is the same as domestic abuse? You're really saying that? Ffs.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

I am so sorry that you are being failed like this.

One example of many I had was applying as homeless to a local authority for help after refuge. They ignored phone and email for over a month then kept asking for same information again and again then after evidence from refuge and other specialists. They did a very detailed violating interview with me where I went over violence and abuse in so much detail then after all if this they say there's not enough evidence to house me for now even with physical evidence. They're lying but no one helped me when it happened and the council kept putting off doing anything and asking for things they already had. Meantime no one was helping me and just shrugging about it. These people who just shrugged are people who encouraged me to do it in the first place as I was too scared because I suspected what would happen and I was right.

Thank you for sharing this. Last year I had a similar scenario with a chronically depressed very suicidal brother who was living on the streets. He got put in temp shelter accommodation during lockdown last year but the next step was halfway house shared accommodation which he didn't want because of the drug abuse and alcoholism and violence he would encounter which would have destroyed him.

I spoke to the homeless rehousing people who responded in the way you describe Artichoke.

So as a family we found the money for six months rent and a deposit, and for furniture and got him through a Universal Credit claim, found a safe private tenancy for him who would take the 6 months rent up front with a guarantor and got him safe and settled.

He used my bank account for his UC and I have recovered the 6 months rent etc., set up his bills, and given him a weekly bank transfer amount from the balance to live on.

Ten months on he's slowly feeling safer and a bit better.

I wonder if shelter funding ought to be able to do that, to front up money and help find safe private homes. The money comes back and can be recycled.

Does any organisation already do this for women?

Slash?

Disgusting?

You seem to be missing the point spectacularly.

That's such a good idea! I will start googling. It's just like not-for-profit charitable lending (e.g. lendwithcare is an org with that model, which assists people overseas).

This is an atrocious, self-promoting act. It is also a massive smack in the face to women of the movement on the front line every day saving women. They could really do with the funds.

Can't see why they can't get funds too, though I won't be donating to the ones that provide for men. It might not be their fault they have been hamstrung by equality and diversity policies and council funding being withdrawn, but someone has to stand firm. If it wasn't Posie but you Jean or anyone else I'd be giving them my spare cash. So far it's just Wight-DASH isn't it? Any others? No?

Wight-Dash and Nia are the two I know of.

isolated, excluded and left without services. We're back to female people in desperate circumstances with nowhere to go, staying in awful situations

I'm sorry to post because it's not really about trans but all I know is the current situation isn't helping all abused women. I am one and I'm right now isolated, excluded, and left without services. I'm sorry for posting but right now particularly because it's a bank holiday so a longer weekend to get through, things are awful. I'm in a prison really and see no way out. I know my partner could kill me but don't even care half the time as the worst is living days in fear and awful situation with no end in sight.

What do women like me do when places that are meant to help like local authorities simply don't reply even to written contact and then support places aren't helping because they're too busy or maybe they just took against you. Being permanently safe feels impossible.

It's a bad time right now so it maybe feels worse than it is. There are some really amazing people working in the services definitely and I'm so grateful to them and I wish they got more support themselves because they're too busy and need more funding but not all of them are good or nice. Some are awful and there's not always the help. It's suicidal really of me to post because it will make the services so angry and they'll blacklist me if they haven't already and I guess I'm now definitely never going to be helped. I wish they'd understand I'm not saying all the services are bad and some are so good and kind but not all are and also not enough funding for the good ones.

Main thing is after refuges. There isn't always safe rehousing especially if no children under 18. It's so upsetting to read people talk about single sex accomodation when it's not even to do with trans most of the time. Local authorities rehouse women into shared accommodation that is bad enough when lots of trauma and need safe private space but also sometimes it's mixed sex and is sometimes same accomodation as recently released prisoners. It's not safe and it's not a space to recover. I understand especially middle aged women or older don't matter to most people but there should be honesty at least and these women shouldn't be encouraged to try to leave in the first place as false hope and then makes situation more dangerous.

It's disgusting to slash at the established women's movement and this is not a personal attack it's a defence.

Posie raising money for a women's refuge is a personal attack against you....how?

Actually that's a rhetorical question. Just pondering it in my own head.

I didn't know we had a women's movement to be fair, I thought the latest was it was for the men, that's why we have to start again.

Wow! The sour grapes on show here from a minority of posters is very telling. Disappointing to see women be so quick to be horrible about another woman. Have a word with yourselves. You sound jealous. Which is so immature.

So sorry nosafeguardingadults. Do you have access to any support this weekend?

[quote Jeanhatchet]@Theunamedcat you are saying that online abuse is the same as domestic abuse? You're really saying that? Ffs.[/quote]
Abuse is abuse you cannot stand aside and say well its not a fist so it doesn't count or he didn't actually rape her/her kids so that doesn't count im sick to death of people downplaying emotional and verbal abuse and threats as nothing its not nothing it DOES matter ffs

@OhHolyJesus

It's disgusting to slash at the established women's movement and this is not a personal attack it's a defence.

Posie raising money for a women's refuge is a personal attack against you....how?

Actually that's a rhetorical question. Just pondering it in my own head.

I didn't know we had a women's movement to be fair, I thought the latest was it was for the men, that's why we have to start again.

Money taken away from women's refuges is obviously wrong but when the allow everyone in they are no longer a womens refuge they are just a refuge and that defeats the purpose of having a womans refuge

Access to a refuge in the UK is really hard. Funding by consecutive governments of late has been really shambolic. Convincing yourself that the lack of access to services and increase in domestic violence related offending has a direct correlation to trans acceptance is questionable at best. Any new facility to counter DV is welcome. Please try to make sure that it is a facility to support vulnerable people rather than a facility to enable something that leads to skeptical support for a hypothetical legal argument.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

Posie raising money is in no way "smacking" other women's orgs in the face.

So she's raising a load of money and won't be in fear of having council funding pulled out from under her. Great.

There's NOTHING to stop other orgs creating a social media platform, creating headlines, getting arrested from direct action and appearing in well known interview podcasts (one of Posie's has a million views).

There's NOTHING stopping anyone else doing any of that if they have the guts. Posie's doing it. Good for her.
If anyone else wants to raise funds because they think they'd do it in a superior way then get out there and do it too.

I'm sorry but this constant bitching at Posie is really cringe worthy and just feels like old-fashioned envy.

Convincing yourself that the lack of access to services and increase in domestic violence related offending has a direct correlation to trans acceptance is questionable at best.

No, you've missed the point.

There are female people who are no longer able to go into refuges and escape their situation because they cannot use mixed sex spaces. They cannot.

This is a major problem for those women, who need somewhere safe to go.

Female only refuges are now tiny in number, and the aim of the political lobby steering this is to remove them altogether (see the earlier quotes about how to isolate and stamp out women resisting this.)

A bit of female acceptance would be nice. But the immediate, very serious issue is female people who need somewhere safe to escape to, and can no longer access publicly funded specialist refuges. This is why the crowdfunder has been started: to provide for these excluded and extremely vulnerable females.

MrsOvertonsWindow No nowhere to go and can't call police because risk I'd get put in unsafe shared accommodation bad enough with other women as need private space to feel safe and recover but no even guaranteed single sex. I have to try to chase some places up next week but it's really tempting to give up. It's been really shattering mentally trying to be safe.

I believe you @nosafeguardingadults

My brother felt like that. He was a bricklayer who could no longer work because of an injury and felt like he should just die as he was no longer useful. He was trying to starve himself to death in car parks and on the beach. He kept getting dragged into hospital, fixed up and chucked out to do it again. And OD on whatever pills they gave him.

Honestly, if I can do this for my poor brother for you I will do it for you. It was a few hours of my time to push agents to listen to me, 6 months rent upfront makes a HUGE difference.

There are a lot of women who are confident enough to manage these things for women like you who are at their lowest ebb and need a hand.

Talk to us. You are right, it's not about trans at all, it's about you.