Kathleen Stock OBE: Trans Women Aren't Women : A discussion

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It's a view held by most people, so why has it become so controversial to state that trans women aren't women? On this episode of "So What You're Saying Is..." (#SWYI) we are joined by Prof. Kathleen Stock OBE, professor of philosophy at the University of Sussex and author of the best-selling book: "Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism".

Prof. Stock discusses the issues of sex vs. gender and gender identity, and explains how trans activists, arguing that gender is psychological not physical, now claim that womanhood & manhood are genders in a social, rather than biological, sense.

She discusses the possible motives for Stonewall's decision to become so actively involved in trans rights, as well as the vilification of its outspoken critics such as Germaine Greer and Julie Bindell. Prof. Stock has herself been the target of campaigns to silence, cancel and no platform.

Prof. Stock also discusses the negative impact the more extreme trans rights positions are having on women (changing rooms, public toilets, prisons etc.) as well as the young, and gays & lesbians.

I’m just here to see if we ever get to the bottom of this blender issue. What on earth did the poster mean?

I know it’s unspeakably boomerish and Pooterish of me, but I do so cling to all these silly definitions of things to help me make sense of this pitiless universe

@Sophoclesthefox

I’m just here to see if we ever get to the bottom of this blender issue. What on earth did the poster mean?

I know it’s unspeakably boomerish and Pooterish of me, but I do so cling to all these silly definitions of things to help me make sense of this pitiless universe

I thought 77 was quite a random year to pick....have i missed something interesting happening in 1977?

Was 77 the really hot summer? Did something melt and that changed our views?

This is half the problem, labels, definitions, etc they always deflect from any meaningful discussion.In the real world a transwoman who has had surgery and is taking body altering hormones has changed their sex.You don't have to accept that but in reality most people wether they approve or not accept that is what is meant by changing sex.

So transwomen who have done none of the above and have no intention of having genital surgery, what "sex" are they?

@Sophoclesthefox

Was 77 the really hot summer? Did something melt and that changed our views?

Maybe...

Dunno, I’ll google it

@alankermode

hey there's loads of proof also y'all have changed your views since 77 or your hair cuts you lots are weirdly obsessed with something that will do no harm also your name sounds like a blender

Well that's my mind changed.

Original star wars movie was released

'75 was the long hot one, wasn't it? I rememerb going to Kirkudbright on holiday and getting one hell of a sunburn!

Ah 1977! That was the year I became an IT techie in spite of my father refusing to buy me a Meccano set because 'girls don't do engineering.' He bought me a floral flowers set instead. Much more appropriate.

BTW, my blender is a Ninja too.

No! You're a blender and so's your Mum.

@Sophoclesthefox

I’m just here to see if we ever get to the bottom of this blender issue. What on earth did the poster mean?

I know it’s unspeakably boomerish and Pooterish of me, but I do so cling to all these silly definitions of things to help me make sense of this pitiless universe

Pm them and ask

I guess I could

But then you’d all still be in suspense.

I have a photo of me in 77, dressed in brown corduroy and beige acrylic, as everyone was for most of the decade. It’s possible that the change of views is over the acceptability of brown bri-nylon as suitable childrenswear, and I’m on board if that’s what it is.

@StillWeRise

speaking of the 1970s this thread has a surprising number of women who remember not being allowed to take various subjects at school (technical drawing, woodwork etc) because they were girls. But you tell the young people of today that, and they don't believe you.

At my school girls were actively hounded out of taking these subjects even though they were technically allowed to no one did.

A girl in the year or two above was bullied off her course by the teacher.

(1980's)

I took technical drawing, metelwork and woodwork

I was one of three girls

Unfortunately woodwork bored me witless, i was only good at melting random objects (usually belonging to other people, i have an enquiring mind) in metalwork and i was much too heavy handed in technical drawing

I had no hair in 77. Bald as a coot.

I am pretty sure that ‘76 was the long hot summer in the UK.

1977 Sid Vicious replaces Glen Matlock in the Sex Pistols, they released God Save The Queen and the album (record) Never Mind The Bollocks...Here’s the Sex Pistols.

I have a Nutribullet AND a Magimix. Does that make me bi-blender or blender neutral?

I have a photo of me in 77, dressed in brown corduroy and beige acrylic, as everyone was for most of the decade. It’s possible that the change of views is over the acceptability of brown bri-nylon as suitable childrenswear, and I’m on board if that’s what it is.

Yep, me too - though sometimes I daringly branched out into bottle green.

I had a haircut reminiscent of Dougal from the magic roundabout. So did my brothers.

I had Dougal hair AND a Dougal t-shirt. With brown cords.

Blender neutral 😂

Quality gags like that is what keep me here

@Siblingquandary

I have a Nutribullet AND a Magimix. Does that make me bi-blender or blender neutral?

It makes you enviably and flexibly equipped for most recipes.

Sophoclesthefox '76 was the long hot summer.

Star wars came out in '77 and it was the Queen's Silver Jubilee. We all got commemorative coins.

@Sophoclesthefox

Was 77 the really hot summer? Did something melt and that changed our views?

The Bay City Rollers sang: "The Way I feel tonight" which seems quite appropriate. (Have to admit I did google this!).

Maybe this is it?

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenderBlenderName