Priti Patel Doing Her Job

[Flaxmeadow]

Priti Patel, our Home Secretary, has been photographed attending the arrest of suspected people traffickers in London . Great you would think, the prosecution of organised crime, modern day slavery being rooted out and made an example of.

Yet ATM on SM there are masses of comments where Priti Patel is being described as a Nazi, Goebbels, evil bitch, ugly faced cow, Fascist, concentration camp guard, child murderer, and so on. She is even being criticised for her shoes, the type of footwear many South Asian heritage women wear. Also accused of masturbating (she has her hands in her pockets in the photo)

Most of these comments are from men. Why so much hate for a woman doing a tough job?

@Flaxmeadow

It isnt just about the shoes though is it.

She is being criticised for her appearance in general, and particularly her facial expressions. That she is too hard faced but what is someone doing her job, law enforcement, on serious organised crime supposed to look like?.

She has one of the toughest jobs in the country but it's about her 'hard' appearance but worse than that she is seriously repeatedly on SM being compared to Nazi concentration camp guards. Which is ludicrous. She is over seeing the arrest of suspected people traffickers, you know serious organised crime that often exploits women, the kind of criminals who keep people enslaved

The people she is watching being arrested haven’t had a trial or yet found guilty.

If she truly wanted to deal with crime and be tough on crime, she would be pushing for a properly funded court system. No good having tough sentences when it takes years to come to trial - because the courts have been stripped bare by over a decade of Tory austerity.

@TheRealMrsW

I believe Ms Patel is a great HS. People dislike her because she a woman of colour. I feel she is firm and fair. I think this country has been a soft target because of our liberalism. However, people have grown tired of Tiny Blair's Open door policy over the years without infrastructure implementation put first. Enough is enough.

@MargaritaPie

I know what they did was a crime, but the trafficking they did wasn't the forcing people against their will type into the UK. They people they smuggled into the UK wanted to come here and were willing to pay someone to smuggle them in.

I don't know if that makes it any "better".

But either way Patel is a politician, since when do politicians attend arrests?

The deaths of 39 young Vietnamese in the Essex lorry and the 21 Chinese cockle pickers on Morecambe bay illustrate two things: inhuman conditions and the use of gangmasters and bonded labour to maximise profits.

Forced labour is part of human trafficking, and the exploitation is not obvious to the individual at the outset.

peadarm

I agree. When modern day slavery legislation was introduced I was surprised. Did slavery really happen in modern Britain. Publicising arrests has helped me, and presumably others, understand that it is all around us. (Those poor vulnerably men used as manual labour for decades, and starved and beaten, some workers in nail salons, brothels which fly girls in on visitor visas and then onto the next countries, country lines etc.) It then helps ordinary individuals to watch things that don't look right, and report if needed. An organised large group of people arriving together and spending low tide collecting cockles. The dodgy house clearance guy with strangely silent and withdrawn labour. Contract agricultural workers. Beds in sheds.

People who traffic humans are nasty and dangerous criminals. The more the ordinary person understands (weird knocking noises coming from a lorry parked at a motorway service station, say) the more it can be controlled.

Should a politician use their profile to bring publicity?

Yes.

Should PP?

Opinions are clearly divided. Why?

Because what PP is doing is just a stunt to feed the angry mob, and whip them into a frenzy etc. To show she looks “strong and tough”. It’s a way of stirring up yet more hate towards people who aren’t born here’s

But to actually tackle the problem, arrests won’t do much. Not when there are court back logs. Also this country has a bigger problem with poverty in our own population. I don’t see politicians doing photo shoots for that.

Because what PP is doing is just a stunt to feed the angry mob, and whip them into a frenzy etc. To show she looks “strong and tough”. It’s a way of stirring up yet more hate towards people who aren’t born here’s

Do you have any idea who people traffickers are and what they do?
They sell human beings, it's slavery, whether it's a grooming gang, illegal immigration, county lines or forced labour. They are hardened criminals profiting from organised crime misery and it also brings misery to the communities they operate in.

I can't get my head around people feeling sorry for people traffickers. What is wrong with you?

To show she looks “strong and tough”. It’s a way of stirring up yet more hate towards people who aren’t born here’s

Do you mean she intentionally wants to stir up hate? If so, I don't think it's useful to start projecting motives onto people. You could easily be wrong.

Or it will accidentally stir up hate? If a photo does that, she isn't really responsible as what she is doing is reasonably within her job description.

Is she just posturing as "tough" for reasons of her own political career? That's possible, but again, guessing at people's motivations has limited value.

I doubt that she can achieve all that much, as the Conservative Party are fairly rubbish. Although at least she isn't on the far left and demanding open borders!

If a politician is getting tough on illegal immigration you could spin it either way:

"They are whipping up the mob and inciting hate against migrants"

Or:

"They are doing their job; enforcing the law, and responding to reasonable concerns that the general public has about illegal immigration"

If people play the game of projecting bad motives onto others, that can always be turned back against them.

I'm not saying we should never consider motivations; but also, maybe don't jump instantly to demonising people. It actually says something about the person doing it.

To show she looks “strong and tough"

Why shouldn't a woman show that she is strong and tough?

Those things are qualities of the mind. They're not shown by wearing a bloody flak jacket.

' . . . maybe don't jump instantly to demonising people.'

They're not. Patel isn't an untried, unknown quantity: she's been peddling her ludicrous brand of hateful incompetence for years. They're demonising her based on that.

@Flaxmeadow

To show she looks “strong and tough"

Why shouldn't a woman show that she is strong and tough?

Why should she by doing silly photo ops? It’s childish.

Just crack on and make proper changes founded in evidence, don’t try and fool people by having action shits. Reminds me of Putin riding his horse topless.

Do you mean she intentionally wants to stir up hate? If so, I don't think it's useful to start projecting motives onto people. You could easily be wrong

She’s done and said plenty to demonstrate her underlying nastiness, like 99% of right wing tories.

She’s done and said plenty to demonstrate her underlying nastiness, like 99% of right wing tories.

OK so you just want to demonize pretty much the entire other side. But that's not "nastiness" of course...

@Zinco

She’s done and said plenty to demonstrate her underlying nastiness, like 99% of right wing tories.

OK so you just want to demonize pretty much the entire other side. But that's not "nastiness" of course...

How am I demonising? Have you seen her comments about the death penalty? Have you seen what’s coming out in terms of policies against travellers? The way in which EU citizens are treated when they have legitimate reason to travel? Writing off legal asylum seekers as illegal immigrants? Her comments about BLM?

I’m not basing my opinion on her because she is a woman. I’m basing it on her actions and words.

@Iggly

Do you mean she intentionally wants to stir up hate? If so, I don't think it's useful to start projecting motives onto people. You could easily be wrong

She’s done and said plenty to demonstrate her underlying nastiness, like 99% of right wing tories.

Of course she wants to stir up hate. I've evidence of this, will hopefully come back later and post it, i'll go through my files.

However, in the meantime look at her plan for ethnic cleansing of travellers, you don't need guns, just Pritti Patel and her new Police Bill.
Thousands will be made homeless, families with children, I'm interested to know if the families will be forced into temp accomodation and left there.

I'm just waiting for a thread to be created on this board saying how 'poor Carrie' is getting stick for getting Boris to hand jobs to her mates on a plate and how it's unfair 'coz she's a woman' (e.g. best friend Nimco Ali given £350-a-day of taxpayers money for a government role without it being advertised). Poor, poor little mite. 🙄

[quote HopeClearwater]@Devlesko get yourself educated if you want to be taken seriously 🙄[/quote]
If somebody wants to believe in curses that’s up to them, maybe it’s part of her culture - Doesn’t make her uneducated
Thinking you can curse someone is no less educated than believing in Jesus as the son of God or that Confession allows Paedophiles to go to Heaven.

As for Priti Patel, she’s not pleasant or competent but a lot of the hate and vile comments she recieves are down to the fact that she is a woman, and not White either.
Like Dianne Abbot, I don’t like her or agree with her politics but a lot of the hate for her is based on her sex and race.

@Flaxmeadow

To show she looks “strong and tough"

Why shouldn't a woman show that she is strong and tough?

She shouldn’t have to but unfortunately women have to show they are “tough enough” when men are assumed to be

Like Dianne Abbot, I don’t like her or agree with her politics but a lot of the hate for her is based on her sex and race.

Dianne Abbot has got to be the worst example because she is by far the most incompetent politician in living memory!

Yes and she should be challenged on her incompetence in the same way a white man would be. Her sex and Race does play a part

How am I demonising?

Let's reverse your statement a bit:

"She’s done and said plenty to demonstrate her underlying nastiness, like 99% of left wing Labour/Liberals"

That's blanket demonization of people right? But it's OK because they really are all that evil?

That, and you are accusing someone of "hate" over a photo op, which is normal behaviour and part of the job for a government minister. Do you have her diary where she reveals her inner motivations on that particular day? Or there is some other evidence here which means you aren't simply jumping to the worst possible conclusions over a straightforward photo op?

Have you seen her comments about the death penalty?

Did she say she wanted it back for children that drop litter?

Half the country believes in the death penalty for the worst cases of murder, like e.g. child murder or being a serial killer. That's hardly uncontroversial "nastiness".

Here we go, from about 34 mins onwards. The board of Deputies for British Jews, tipped off our main charity to this.
A family of murderers she knows nothing of our community.

@Zinco

How am I demonising?

Let's reverse your statement a bit:

"She’s done and said plenty to demonstrate her underlying nastiness, like 99% of left wing Labour/Liberals"

That's blanket demonization of people right? But it's OK because they really are all that evil?

That, and you are accusing someone of "hate" over a photo op, which is normal behaviour and part of the job for a government minister. Do you have her diary where she reveals her inner motivations on that particular day? Or there is some other evidence here which means you aren't simply jumping to the worst possible conclusions over a straightforward photo op?

Have you seen her comments about the death penalty?

Did she say she wanted it back for children that drop litter?

Half the country believes in the death penalty for the worst cases of murder, like e.g. child murder or being a serial killer. That's hardly uncontroversial "nastiness".

Please don’t confuse nasty with evil. People can have a nasty streak without being evil.

And as for so many people backing the death penalty - er does that make it right?? A million people can be wrong and all that.

Priti Patel is not fit to be Home Secretary and has a nasty streak.