Polling in connection with the Labour Party and public attitudes

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Poll proves wokery lost Labour 'red wall' seats: Sir Keir Starmer's Party is overwhelmingly associated with politically correct issues that are not backed by public

www.dailymail.co.uk/textbased/news/text-9583001/Sir-Keir-Starmers-Labour-Party-touch-public-opinion-poll-finds.html

"...Labour is also perceived to support the issue of men being allowed to redefine themselves as women and access female-only facilities, with 43 per cent associating the party with support for it and just nine per cent regarding it as a Tory issue.

Only 19 per cent of people support the measure, while 48 per cent oppose it.

Likewise, 31 per cent think Labour would support the idea of breastfeeding being renamed 'chestfeeding', but only five per cent of voters back it; and 36 per cent think Labour would support children being given puberty blockers as part of hormone therapy to change gender, with 61 per cent of people opposing it...."

Personally I would be amazed if you could find many Labour politicians willing to stand up against a language change like "chestfeeding".

Evidence that their stance on TWAW is damaging them with the public

Are they going to listen or continue to give the Tories an open goal?

They won’t listen. But at least someone is asking.

You just know the Tories are going to keep pressing the button this and Angela rayner will continue to oblige with some word salad of TWAW most vulnerable in society be kind hateful bigots

And more women’s votes will float out the door :(

Typical right wing Daily Mail bile and nonsense.

At least the questions are being asked. I won't vote Labour while they are pretending not to know what a woman is. I abstained from the locals as couldn't bring myself to vote Tory either though!

This is the company that conducted the poll

www.jlpartners.co.uk/

Shooting the messenger because it’s the daily Mail is exactly why Labour is in the state it is. Would it be any better if the poll was reported in The Guardian? I mean it wouldn’t change the results....

Regardless of what paper has run this it's all true isn't it. My experience of Labour is that they support self ID, that they do not have any policies to support women as a distinct group and they would favour chestfeeding over breastfeeding
If anyone doesn't agree they haven't been listening

I told my labour candidate on the doorstep that I had been a labour supporter and member for 15 years, but that the labelling of normal women's concerns such as wanting to keep single sex spaces in prisons as "bigotry", and the targeting of MPs such as Rosie Duffield, has meant that they have lost my vote. (Obviously if Rosie had been my mp I'd have voted for her). The candidate looked like I was a bit odd for focussing on a niche issue, but to be honest, their positioning on this reflects a bigger issue for me: whether they will be willing to hear normal opinions on issues without labelling them as hate or stupidity if they don't fit their narrative.

I heard James o Brien on LBC the day after the election and he literally cannot fathom that there could be any legitimate reasons why people wouldn't vote labour based on issues such as these. He thought that it was all a "right wing myth" and that people voted for Boris because "they find him an inspiring leader". There is a massive blind spot for some vocal voices on the left.

I told my labour candidate on the doorstep that I had been a labour supporter and member for 15 years, but that the labelling of normal women's concerns such as wanting to keep single sex spaces in prisons as "bigotry" ... has meant that they have lost my vote.

Same here, and we can’t be the only ones. They can’t pretend this isn’t a genuine concern.

Just being discussed briefly on the newspaper reports on Andrew Marr.

If people continue to write this off as ‘right wing bile and nonsense’ and don’t stop to listen, the parties will continue to flounder. If they don’t address their blind spots and push an agenda that women do not want they will continue to lose.

The treatment of Rosie Duffield has shown how appalling the party is in supporting woman. But maybe they will listen to the EHRC chairperson ... I won’t hold my breath though.

James OB is the worst kind of misogynist. He’s a ‘nice guy’, a centrist Dad, but he has tangible disgust for women (especially older women) who want their legal right to single sex places upheld. We are such bigots.

And he’s a hypocrite. I heard him sympathising with an upset Lesbian who was getting worn down my males on lesbian dating sites trying to get her to accept dick.
But then he trashed and makes fun of women who don’t want to get undressed in a changing room next to a man on the other side of the curtain.

He can’t be that thick, surely? It’s the same problem.

Well, many women could have told them that, but it's always helpful to have it spelled out.

Labour is also perceived to support the issue of men being allowed to redefine themselves as women and access female-only facilities, with 43 per cent associating the party with support for it ... Only 19 per cent of people support the measure

19 % seems quite high.

@Helleofabore

If people continue to write this off as ‘right wing bile and nonsense’ and don’t stop to listen, the parties will continue to flounder. If they don’t address their blind spots and push an agenda that women do not want they will continue to lose.

The treatment of Rosie Duffield has shown how appalling the party is in supporting woman. But maybe they will listen to the EHRC chairperson ... I won’t hold my breath though.

Yea- it's like they think that they could just "re-educate" us into no longer wanting single sex spaces or ignore us and hope we go away rather than actually take our concerns seriously.

@ClarrieGrundy it's been a real eye opener, as I used to really like him before. But his dismissal of this and labelling callers who disagree as stupid (by immediately straw-manning them) has actually made me question quite a lot of my previously firmly held left-wing beliefs (like... Was I only listening to the straw-man version of the opposing opinion...) This is him being aweful to the woman who didn't want to share a changing room with him:

The thing is that many in the Labour Party think that they are morally superior to people with different ideas; they will look at these findings and just think that people need ‘educating’.

They aren’t able to see that if they want to be in power they need to work with people with a broad range of ideas. I’d go so far as to say that many of them prefer being in opposition - it’s cool being the rebel fighting the establishment, supporting trendy ideas that they think most people are too bigoted to understand. Not realising that age brings wisdom and that facts matter more than inventing new words.

@ArabellaScott

Well, many women could have told them that, but it's always helpful to have it spelled out.

Labour is also perceived to support the issue of men being allowed to redefine themselves as women and access female-only facilities, with 43 per cent associating the party with support for it ... Only 19 per cent of people support the measure

19 % seems quite high.

Depends how the questions are asked and if they are told what female spaces actually mean

And it depends on whether self id and exactly what that consists of is explained

*awful (weird autocorrect)

Labour is also perceived to support the issue of men being allowed to redefine themselves as women and access female-only facilities, with 43 per cent associating the party with support for it ... Only 19 per cent of people support the measure

19 % seems quite high.

19% includes men and the woke young

@Tibtom

Labour is also perceived to support the issue of men being allowed to redefine themselves as women and access female-only facilities, with 43 per cent associating the party with support for it ... Only 19 per cent of people support the measure

19 % seems quite high.

19% includes men and the woke young

And also those who think that 'identifying as a women' entails genital surgery.

It’s exactly that Sittingonthesand. Momentum and its ethos of binary purity is the worst thing that happened to Labour. I work in a woke field where people openly advertise their membership of momentum. They’re nearly all under 30, middle class, university educated and be pronouned. They have a deeply patronising attitude to the working class who they think need saving from themselves.

They can’t work with people who don’t think like them and worse they don’t see why they should

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud

I am always amazed that people don’t stop and think for even a moment if they are mistaken about how deeply women feel about this.

We see it constantly when questions are polled on AiBU. They are always 95+% in favour of women’s single sexual spaces or keeping women’s language to describe ourselves.

It gets ‘written off’ as those terrible phobes but this numbers answering those polls are thousands. There are no where near that many regular posters on FWR. But those people cannot admit that it isn’t ‘an extreme minority’ fighting this. In fact, they are the minority and could be considered extreme in the way they try to silence others discussing it.

The incongruence is there and easy to see except they cannot look in the mirror.

@helleofabore exactly

@Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud Yes me too.
I am a centre left liberal and should agree with him on most things but that horrified me. And made me question his attitudes on everything. Actually, I now just dismiss him as irrelevant.

It is the epitome of ‘luxury belief’.
He is a tall, educated, white, middle class bloke. And he has the temerity to tell women (all women!) that they are bigots for not wanting to be near him when he is standing in his pants with only a curtain between them.

For all his head tilting faux- sincerity, can he not empathise for half a second? Can he not see how perhaps a slight woman, who may or may not have been the victim of sexual assault may feel threatened?
Or a woman from an ethnic or religious background whose core beliefs and sense of self are rooted in and need self segregation?

It actually makes me think that he might not be as right on liberal as he likes to think as he is not willing to respect cultural differences.

He’s a dick.