Polling in connection with the Labour Party and public attitudes

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Quoting from:

Poll proves wokery lost Labour 'red wall' seats: Sir Keir Starmer's Party is overwhelmingly associated with politically correct issues that are not backed by public

www.dailymail.co.uk/textbased/news/text-9583001/Sir-Keir-Starmers-Labour-Party-touch-public-opinion-poll-finds.html

"...Labour is also perceived to support the issue of men being allowed to redefine themselves as women and access female-only facilities, with 43 per cent associating the party with support for it and just nine per cent regarding it as a Tory issue.

Only 19 per cent of people support the measure, while 48 per cent oppose it.

Likewise, 31 per cent think Labour would support the idea of breastfeeding being renamed 'chestfeeding', but only five per cent of voters back it; and 36 per cent think Labour would support children being given puberty blockers as part of hormone therapy to change gender, with 61 per cent of people opposing it...."

This poll should, of course, been commissioned by Labour itself based on doorstep conversations. But the fact it hasn’t says a lot.

@pheebumbalatti

Typical right wing Daily Mail bile and nonsense.

Spot on. What a load of rubbish. When I go to the polls I am interested in how well a party can handle the economy and yet have empathy for the more vulnerable in society. I want a leader who can make decisions without differing and have a good policy on defence. As for chest or breast, heaven help us. The chest is different from a breast. When you go for a breast scan which may detect early and treatable cancer you don’t ask for a chest scan or you will be disappointed and the hospital well confused. This analysis of language has intensified so much that it has got to the point of being so ridiculous that it loses its credibility and support.

Have to add anyone who takes notice of the Daily Mail deserves what they get and that is bilge.

@HappydaysArehere

Have to add anyone who takes notice of the Daily Mail deserves what they get and that is bilge.

Anyone who does not take notice of the Daily Mail is never going to win an election.

The Labour party's stance on TWAW and chest feeding is Exactly and Precisely why I have stopped voting Labour in the last 2 elections, after voting for them in every single election I was eligible for prior to that. If they just brush it off or try and make out that all the women who feel like I do are just Mary Whitehouse style prudes and bigots, when we all know most are left-leaning liberals (as am I) then, frankly, they're idiots. And I still won't start voting for them again. I couldn't live with myself for putting anyone in power who has thrown women under that bus, as much as I loath the Tories.

If the guardian had reported the same poll would that be ok?

Just looked up newspaper circulation. I hadn't realised how small a readership the guardian now has. The Daily Mail circulation is nine times that of the guardian.

Bloody hell 😧

@HappydaysArehere

Have to add anyone who takes notice of the Daily Mail deserves what they get and that is bilge.

The Daily Mail is the most widely read newspaper in the UK

Anyone who doesn't take notice of the Daily Mail richly deserves to lose an election and certainly will do so

Democracy is a popularity contest. If you don't take notice of what's popular, you ain't gonna get elected.

Presumably you'd rather the Labour Party were 'right' (in your view) than in power?

Yes - @tibtom I agree. I used to do as best I could "not to give them clicks", but they have a massive readership and, quite frankly have been right on some issues. Take the coronavirus case numbers as a completely un-connected example. They report the actual numbers and restate what is said in the press briefings in some of their articles.

The trap of: "they are baddies and so everything they say is wrong" is one of the cognitive distortions that leads people to being shocked when election results come in and the results are not what they expected. Not saying "everything they say is right" either.

@Theeyeballsinthesky

If the guardian had reported the same poll would that be ok?

#TheyNeverAnswer

He is a tall, educated, white, middle class bloke. And he has the temerity to tell women (all women!) that they are bigots for not wanting to be near him when he is standing in his pants with only a curtain between them.

DP has form for similar idiocy, actually.
‘I think you exaggerate how much people worry about it all. I don’t really mind who I stand next to.’

Yes, ducky, and you are 17 stone to my 8.5. Funny, that.

He did see the point quite quickly and was rather embarrassed BUT he’d never given the physical imbalance a thought. He’d never needed to.

Same here, and we can’t be the only ones. They can’t pretend this isn’t a genuine concern

Tony Blair spoke about this a few days ago. He says, accurately, that some of the older party members try to avoid this issue, leaving it for others to deal with - for fear that their "sensors are wrong" on the topic. I think there is also a tendency to suggest it is a major side issue, too. This is another way of minimising it, and not having to face up to the very profound issues it poses.

tendency to suggest it is a side issue

@pheebumbalatti

Typical right wing Daily Mail bile and nonsense.

”Labour is also perceived to support the issue of men being allowed to redefine themselves as women and access female-only facilities,”

Can you explain how this issue is left or right wing?

Is it that right wingers still embrace science, but the left wing are now fully into queer theory and would object to the biological definition the Mail is obviously using here for the terms men and women?

The thing is that many in the Labour Party think that they are morally superior to people with different ideas; they will look at these findings and just think that people need ‘educating’

Yes, there is a failure to recognise that when they dismiss people/their constituents on issues important to them, they tend to lose them altogether. Which is what has happened over the trans issue. People have now started to see how the left tends to operate on a a range of issues, as a result of feeling alienated by the Labour party.

Tony Blair was correct in his assessment.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/05/tony-blair-without-total-change-labour-will-die

Typical right wing Daily Mail bile and nonsense

This is a grown up discussion forum; the home for many disenchanted with apolitical party they used to support. It is not a forum for ill informed, student soundbites, cliches or tropes.

@Justhadathought

Typical right wing Daily Mail bile and nonsense

This is a grown up discussion forum; the home for many disenchanted with apolitical party they used to support. It is not a forum for ill informed, student soundbites, cliches or tropes.

Nicely put

In all my time canvassing for Labour, this issue has never been raised on the doorstep. Perhaps it would be now, if the Mail is constantly banging on about it? Which is precisely why they’re doing it, I suppose- they see a weak point and they’re trying to cause dissent. Well done for falling for it though

And also those who think that 'identifying as a women' entails genital surgery

Indeed! there is a overwhelming lack of information or awareness out there, precisely for the reason that the Labour party will not go anywhere near it. Resorting instead to Stonewall schooled mantras and slogans.

My experience, people still have a few 'old school' transexuals in mind. That includes judges too - as evidenced recently. People are not aware at all of autogynephilia; or the huge surge in young girls seeking to transition; or that thing shave now morphed even further still into non-binary and 'pansexuality' etc. They thought Le Creuset was just an expensive, middle class range of pans and dishes.

@crackofdoom

In all my time canvassing for Labour, this issue has never been raised on the doorstep. Perhaps it would be now, if the Mail is constantly banging on about it? Which is precisely why they’re doing it, I suppose- they see a weak point and they’re trying to cause dissent. Well done for falling for it though

I was planning to raise it with the Labour party candidate for the recent local elections. Nobody came round. I was planning to raise it with all candidates. The conservative guy cut me dead and left once I told him I didn't normally vote for them (safe seat) and barely listened to anything I said, and certainly didn't take in what I was trying to ask. I voted for neither the Labour or Conservative candidate. I feel politicaly homeless and vote independent or Lib Dem as an uneasy compromise (I am aware they too have form, Aimee Challoner, enough said). Where I live they are simply the only party who are prepared to engage or discuss, or listen, and that's why I vote for them at the moment.

Well done for falling for it though

No one is "falling" for anything. This is FWR and we've been discussing the failings of Labour for quite some time with regard to women's rights and political representation.

This is a grown up discussion forum; the home for many disenchanted with apolitical party they used to support. It is not a forum for ill informed, student soundbites, cliches or tropes.

Well said.

It’s a puzzle isn’t it?

Labour spends several years shouting down anyone who wants to discuss their TWAW stance as a hateful bigot, has MPs who post that women aren’t entitled to single sex loos, does nothing whatsoever to discourage the pile on on Rose Duffield, promotes the Lily Madigabs of this world as women’s officers and says it doesn’t want the votes of women who don’t think TWAW

It’s a real mystery why women don’t raise it on the doorstep isn't it?

I wouldn’t raise it with a Labour canvasser here because the party has made it clear what their stance is so I assume I’d either be patronised, abused or put on a list marked bigot back at the local HQ

People are telling Labour it’s a problem, the fact that Labour continue to go lalalala can’t hear you is why they’re not going to be in power anytime soon

@crackofdoom

In all my time canvassing for Labour, this issue has never been raised on the doorstep. Perhaps it would be now, if the Mail is constantly banging on about it? Which is precisely why they’re doing it, I suppose- they see a weak point and they’re trying to cause dissent. Well done for falling for it though

And yet, I know I am not alone with bringing it up to canvassers in the general election and this election. Either way, people have become aware of this as a major issue over the past 12 months so, I would expect you will find it rather different canvassing for a general election now.

And.

Maybe, just maybe, you should go and look at the source of the poll rather than the article. Maybe, just maybe, you should also look at the relevant yougov poll done not so long ago where respondents quickly back tracked when asked about people with intact male genitalia being allowed into single sex spaces.

Maybe, just maybe, you should stop denying that this is an issue that covers much of the political spectrum and is not the realm of right wing or extremists or an uninformed few. Every recent poll is coming out with indicative results being aligned. It is clear that those trying to minimise it have their own agenda or are the ones that are uninformed.