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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girl pushed under train.

458 replies

Thelnebriati · 10/05/2021 22:50

The girls all have to run past the boys to board the train.
One girl is kicked in the face, spat on, shoved, tripped up, and ends up falling on to the tracks.

The guard in they hi vis yellow jacket just watches.

I'm at the end of my tether with male violence and entitlement.

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Oulu · 11/05/2021 08:35

If it's not a male female problem then where are the roaming gangs of female thugs?

My sister was attacked by one in Kingston.

Franke · 11/05/2021 08:38

That boy's sister is whining on social media about him getting all the flack when "He didn't kick anyone under a train".

toffeebutterpopcorn · 11/05/2021 08:40

So she is cool with that behaviour? Happy if it happens to her or her mum but some lad for a laugh? She didn’t need to say anything at all.

Crispsareafoodgroup · 11/05/2021 08:41

Petition signed. Awful.

Rejoiningperson · 11/05/2021 08:42

I don’t know why people on this thread are attacking others for saying this isn’t a boys on girls specific problem.

It isn’t. Boys are actually more vulnerable to this kind of attack from these roaming boy gangs (mostly boys but there are often girls with them egging them on). That it’s girls this time is actually pretty unusual as attacking girls purely physically is not as common - and the fact that it happened recently shows how far these gangs now are going, very dark. There are more sexual assaults on girls from these boy gangs, they are much more vulnerable to that threat.

Yes it is overwhelming the boys causing this violence, but it is critically important that we assess the threat from examples and to whom objectively and factually. This particular example was absolutely awful to girls. However these gangs are a threat, as many have said, mostly to other boys or men walking alone or anyone who is vulnerable.

If we ignored this fact we would only be outraged ‘because it’s towards girls’ rather being outraged that this is ‘teenage boy violence’ towards anyone they think is fair game. Girls are not usually the main targets to be honest, ask the Dublin police they have a good idea of who gets targeted. I want to protect boys, vulnerable people and girls. There isn’t any need to name call others like me on this thread who are responding with an accurate perspective. And yes I’m a feminist and pretty proud of that fact too.

The gangs are out of control in Ireland. I’m sure they are in UK too, however in my town in the UK we don’t usually have roaming gangs in this way. However my relatives in Ireland report that gangs of teenagers are regularly throwing stones at cars for example. It’s a weekly occurrence. In Dublin the Dart & Luas has loads of intimidation that’s gone on for far too long. I find that hugely scary. The very least the football club can do is take immediate clear action and make an example of them. Particularly as this is so clearly shown on the media, these poor girls were just going about their day and were frightened and vulnerable. Makes me absolutely rage.

Oulu · 11/05/2021 08:42

I can only assume this thread started out not in Feminism, because the apologists for male violence on this thread are appalling.

I can't see any apologist posts? Pointing out that gangs like this don't confine their attacks to women isn't apologist.

notacooldad · 11/05/2021 08:45

Here is the statement; it refers to his “rights” and him being a minor:
While I di think the statement seems lsme I think the club have to be careful what they say as not to prejudice a criminal investigation.
I am hoping that is the reason anyway!

I am shocked at how much hate these boys have. The kid in the red jacket spitting at a young woman as she goes past! Unbelievable and heartbreaking that she has to endure this.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 11/05/2021 08:46

These lads went after every female that walked by. These girls were just seen as ‘targets’. Would they have gone after another lad? Maybe.

HelgaDownUnder · 11/05/2021 08:50

amp.abc.net.au/article/12598628

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8378273/Melbourne-girl-gangs-including-Pretty-B-tches-wreaking-havoc-members-just-FOURTEEN.html

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/27/girls-gangs-sexual-criminal-exploitation-violence

The first two articles are Australian, and in my experience, somewhat accurate.

The last looks at the often tragic circumstances for girls involved in gangs. The figure of about 1/3 of gang members being girls is cited elsewhere and I have no reason to doubt it. Some of the girls are actively violent, others are cheering on and filming in the background.

Males in gangs are overwhelmingly from poor and deprived communities and disproportionately from BAME backgrounds.

Have a look at the victims of of knife crime in London - overwhelmingly BAME males, as young as 12 and 13, and overwhelmingly gang related

I disagree with painting this as an issue of male entitlement. These are not some all-powerful patriarchy lording it over women. It seems to me more about a demographic of society's rejects who hate the world, and everyone in it. They are spreading anarchy, not patriarchy.

SuperSleepyBaby · 11/05/2021 08:52

Yes they certainly would have gone after lone boys running by too. I have seen these gangs and how they act.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 11/05/2021 08:53

Girls are in those environments too. Some are on gangs as well. It’s unusual for girls to be roaming around attacking people at random (not unheard of, but unusual).

User657849 · 11/05/2021 08:53

What is also shocking is how one after another, they’re kicked or spat at and they continue without confronting the boys.

I think this must not be the first time something like this happens and the poor girls are resigned to this horrible behaviour, probably because they know nothing will happen to the boys.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 11/05/2021 08:57

I have no idea how people are disputing that this is clearly an example of male on female violence and that male on female violence is incredibly disproportionate when measured against female on male violence. Especially if we only take similar situations into account. Gangs of females attacking males in this manner is unbelievably rare.

Leafstamp · 11/05/2021 08:58

@User657849

What is also shocking is how one after another, they’re kicked or spat at and they continue without confronting the boys.

I think this must not be the first time something like this happens and the poor girls are resigned to this horrible behaviour, probably because they know nothing will happen to the boys.

As many have said, this resignation from the girls is as nearly as troubling as the disgusting action from the boys.
LittleTiger007 · 11/05/2021 09:05

Horrifying! Sad Angry

Onlinedilema · 11/05/2021 09:05

I've signed the petition.

NameChangedCosShame · 11/05/2021 09:07

@DdraigGoch

I'm a railway guard in the UK. We are absolutely NOT trained or equipped for anything physical. We are told to avoid confrontation, to retreat to a safe place and call the police or ask our security contractors to intervene.

Wannabe Sir Galahad I might be - with strong chivalrous instincts to defend the vulnerable - there's still no way that I'd be wading alone into the middle of a teenage gang. One of our security staff got badly beaten up by such a gang recently.

I understand that this is your training and I understand that one man against a group of youths is like asking someone to enter a lion's den, and grossly unreasonable. BUT it still makes my heart sink to think that someone who is there to GUARD isn't actually able to guard at all.

I don't know what the answer is, but if this is as endemic as it sounds, then surely there needs to be additional training or security? When I get a train, I assume that if something dangerous was unfolding, the man in the hi-vis would do SOMETHING? This is one of the most mindless acts of violence I've ever seen.

Grandbisou · 11/05/2021 09:10

This is disgraceful, I have signed the petition. Absolute animals.

Zzelda · 11/05/2021 09:10

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I have no idea how people are disputing that this is clearly an example of male on female violence and that male on female violence is incredibly disproportionate when measured against female on male violence. Especially if we only take similar situations into account. Gangs of females attacking males in this manner is unbelievably rare.
No-one is disputing this. People are simply rightly pointing out that these gangs target anyone they perceive to be vulnerable, irrespective of sex.
shroompie · 11/05/2021 09:11

Absolutely horrific. Horrible little shits. Likely they'd have done it to a boy too. Bullies pick on anyone they think won't or can't fight back. I have been listening to the LISK podcast (highly recommend) about a high ranking US police officer James Blake and his high up friends, including a surgeon, being linked to violent sex (rape) parties, snuff films and possibly serial killing of prostitutes. At one point the journalists touch on the connection James Blake may have to a 13yo boy who was beaten to death with rocks stuffed down his throat.

It's truly disturbing what human beings can (and want to!) do to one another.

I don't know what to say. It's obviously disturbing but what can we do? Create better societies and raise better human beings?

CovidSmart · 11/05/2021 09:12

@DdraigGoch

I'm a railway guard in the UK. We are absolutely NOT trained or equipped for anything physical. We are told to avoid confrontation, to retreat to a safe place and call the police or ask our security contractors to intervene.

Wannabe Sir Galahad I might be - with strong chivalrous instincts to defend the vulnerable - there's still no way that I'd be wading alone into the middle of a teenage gang. One of our security staff got badly beaten up by such a gang recently.

Yep i get that. My issue is the following:
  • guards etc.. are told not to intervene
  • members if the public are told not to intervene
  • all of those are told to call the police, when numbers are going down, they are far away so will take time to come etc...
  • so basically in this case anyone who is been attacked is on their own. Incl those young girls
  • on the other side, the same people who have no issue attacking others have no incentive to change their behaviour. Whether it’s because of the lack of suitable punishment/lack of rehabilitation etc... but they are still outside doing the same stuff.

At what point is it going to stop? When one of those will actually have killed someone?

shroompie · 11/05/2021 09:12

Re the gender aspect males tend to be more violent and are often the ones who commit and are on thec receiving end of violent crime.

echt · 11/05/2021 09:12

No-one is disputing this. People are simply rightly pointing out that these gangs target anyone they perceive to be vulnerable, irrespective of sex

So put the link on AIBU and say, hey, it's all about everyone.

Horehound · 11/05/2021 09:16

Jack cooney
Adam lynch
AJ Morgan
Jason Delaney

These are the culprits. Fuckers
The football club Jason plays as a youth team member released a statement saying they will deal with the matter fairly and properly and then there's little dweebs on twitter trying to claim he doesn't even play there anymore and left before this happened. If that's the case, bozo, why would the club release a statement?
These people are thick as mince.

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