School newsletter tells girls how to bind

[ErrolTheDragon]

There's a piece in the Times today ... parents not happy at the content of a newsletter produced by the 6th formers

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nonsuch-high-school-sixth-formers-told-girls-11-how-to-bind-breasts-k7slvrbkr?shareToken=a84af706d3b638e2ea3d2d53ea04e29d

@OnoAnotherNC

I have no idea what chemsex is (don’t fancy a google) but I cannot understand the mentality of sending a leaflet promoting anal sex to children at all. I consider myself quite liberal and open minded but I was pretty shocked by that.

Here you go. Just the thing children need to learn about.

In the olden days, kids talking about sex - especially practiced that would have been available from specialist places in soho - and social services would be interviewing the parents. But an 18 year old can distribute this to an 11 year old (or in my case, 10 when I started high school)?

The newsletter has a positive article about asexuality, so it's not all bad.

There is something rather awry with teaching when teenage girls at a grammer school in Surrey appropriate the experiences of US gay men, especially in military in 1980s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_Dorothy

I guess they have friends on twitter...

I am a sixth form student at the school. I haven't read much of it, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, they have just put links to other website they haven't explained it themselves and it's such a tiny part of the newsletter just a little box with links. At the end of the day it's just providing information to those who need it. Thanks for asking.

The newsletter itself seems intelligent and informative to me (at least the bits I've been able to read). The links however, are a step too far. No way should 11 year olds be pointed towards some of those sites.

I have just typed ‘effects of breast binding’ into google to look for ‘images’ of damage etc.

The only thing that comes up is pictures of happy people with their binders, and how to bind guides.

So I changed it to ‘negative effects of breast binding’ and looked for images and got..... the same images.

The harm of breast binding seems to be treated either by explaining ways around it, or by accounts of how for many the pros outweigh the cons. I fell down a few rabbit holes of teenaged females discussing how it didn’t matter to them because they were set on mastectomies anyway.

Google is no girl’s friend, it seems just the opposite.

I don't really expect a sixth former to see what's wrong with promoting those links to 11 year-olds. They're children / barely adult themselves. It's the school that's at fault.

I wonder what other newsletter are sent out? About ecology or politics? Hobbies or music? Or just the latest trends?

@Chdhzhzh

I am a sixth form student at the school. I haven't read much of it, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, they have just put links to other website they haven't explained it themselves and it's such a tiny part of the newsletter just a little box with links. At the end of the day it's just providing information to those who need it. Thanks for asking.

Do you understand the premise of safeguarding children ?

@saraclara

The newsletter itself seems intelligent and informative to me (at least the bits I've been able to read). The links however, are a step too far. No way should 11 year olds be pointed towards some of those sites.

The friends of Dorothy describe lesbians as non men being attracted to non men. So no, not very intelligent or informative. In fact utterly sexist and homophobic rubbish.

@Floisme

I don't really expect a sixth former to see what's wrong with promoting those links to 11 year-olds. They're children / barely adult themselves. It's the school that's at fault.

I agree

If the recent poster is in the 6th form they will be at the most 18years old

The media (surprise surprise) are not reporting this fairly. From what I've read of the newsletter (assuming there isn't a page missing) it doesn't tell girls how to bind breasts. The thoughtless error was providing links to sites that include that information.

VI form pupils in all girls' school indoctrinate younger children about GRA referring to ILGA as source. Including misrepresenting the spousal exit clause which primarily protects women and their children.

recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4215949-ILGA-Feminist-Declaration-Stonewall-Lowering-the-age-of-consent-to-10

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4205956-Unite-Unions-and-Many-Other-LGBT-Organisations-Lobby-Government-to-Lower-the-Age-of-Consent

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4217390-Times-article-about-Age-of-Consent-Stonewall-Alba

December 2019 Spectator James Kirkup on Denton's report:

'The document that reveals the remarkable tactics of trans lobbyists'

(extract)
"The report is called 'Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youth'. Its purpose is to help trans groups in several countries bring about changes in the law to allow children to legally change their gender, without adult approval and without needing the approval of any authorities. 'We hope this report will be a powerful tool for activists and NGOs working to advance the rights of trans youth across Europe and beyond,' says the foreword.

As you’d expect of a report co-written by the staff of a major law firm, it’s a comprehensive and solid document, summarising law, policy and 'advocacy' across several countries. Based on the contributions of trans groups from around the world (including two in the UK, one of which is not named), it collects and shares 'best practice' in 'lobbying' to change the law so that parents no longer have a say on their child’s legal gender.

In the words of the report:

“'It is recognised that the requirement for parental consent or the consent of a legal guardian can be restrictive and problematic for minors."

You might think that the very purpose of parenting is, in part, to 'restrict' the choices of children who cannot, by definition, make fully-informed adult choices on their own. But that is not the stance of the report. (continues)
www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

If you falsely team issues around transgenderism, homosexuality and sexual freedom it is much easier to denounce critics as not just transphobic, but homophobic and almost as bad in the eyes of some "progressives" - prudish - bigots. "It's only info for the kids who might be doing this sort of thing anyway" - wtf teenage girls having chemsex and enjoying fisting?! Seriously. The fact this world view is now so entrenched that sixth formers are blithely creating newsletters for children at their school with all of the above is really worrying.

I would assume there was a group of ‘cool kids’ who have created this. Maybe a teacher was involved (the school needs to check them closely).

@toffeebutterpopcorn

I would assume there was a group of ‘cool kids’ who have created this. Maybe a teacher was involved (the school needs to check them closely).

The school have defended it.

From what I've read of the newsletter (assuming there isn't a page missing) it doesn't tell girls how to bind breasts. The thoughtless error was providing links to sites that include that information.

'Queer Questions' problem page invites children to ask questions of VI form pupils. Included is, "How do I bind safely? with links provided by way of response.

I was hoping it was in the same way I would defend my staff if I was ambushed with ‘X did Y!’. I would try to put out the flames and fix the issue - then kick relevant arses in private...

The school have defended it.

The ultimate responsibility lies with governors.
This is deeply concerning.

@toffeebutterpopcorn

I was hoping it was in the same way I would defend my staff if I was ambushed with ‘X did Y!’. I would try to put out the flames and fix the issue - then kick relevant arses in private...

But then you need to say "we will Look into this" not "we are providing information to curious kids".

I was hoping it was in the same way I would defend my staff if I was ambushed with ‘X did Y!’. I would try to put out the flames and fix the issue

In a situation where children's Safeguarding concerns are raised. The response should always be to calmly and robustly investigate.
Defensive practice is antithetical to effective Safeguarding.

@Chdhzhzh

I am a sixth form student at the school. I haven't read much of it, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, they have just put links to other website they haven't explained it themselves and it's such a tiny part of the newsletter just a little box with links. At the end of the day it's just providing information to those who need it. Thanks for asking.

How many Year 7 girls at your school need information on anal sex?

It’s like they are scared to condemn anything with a letter attached.