Wipeout for Labour in Hartlepool

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Given the landslide in Hartlepool, will anything make Labour think again about the way in which they've alienated their core voters (including women)?

So, did the Labour/TWAW/Wokerati brigade just not vote?
Prefer to tweet in support?
Because I’d have expected swathes of them to show up and vote in support of the brave new world they want to see.

Harriet Harman is in Radio 4 right now saying that Labour need to convince the public that its purpose is to "deliver social justice". There's still a long way to go before they hit rock bottom.

I don't hold out much hope. The only improvement I can see in the near future is if Boris Johnson is replaced by another Conservative leader. One that at least has some morals.

But the last Labour Party manifesto did pledge to maintain sex-based rights

Nah, gender based I bet. Not the same thing. And even if it said sex based, who actually knows what that means anymore?

@Congressdingo

But the last Labour Party manifesto did pledge to maintain sex-based rights

Nah, gender based I bet. Not the same thing. And even if it said sex based, who actually knows what that means anymore?

The manifesto did say this, but within hours of it being published we had Dawn Butler MP on Twitter screaming that of course men could identity into the female sex and that women who object to this are bigots.

Quote from:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/khalid-mahmood-quit-labour-frontbench-starmer-b1843967.html

"Labour MP Khalid Mahmood has quit Keir Starmer’s frontbench, warning that the party has been taken over by “a London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors”.

Mr Mahmood had served as a shadow defence minister since Starmer’s arrival in office, but said he resigned because Labour had “lost touch with ordinary British people”.

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I guess the criticism/attack on the Tory Party that they are an out of touch, arrogant clique, doesn't really work when the Labour Party are considered equally so.

[quote PronounssheRa]Khalid Mahmood has resigned from the Labour front bench saying that 'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party'

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1390711677457403910[/quote]
Well one thing's for certain. Ever since Blair, Labour well and truly did fuck all for the working class of London. That's an understatement in fact. But then, to help them (or not kick them even further down than they already are), Labour woke types (and all the other parties too) would have to acknowledge they existed.

@nauticant

Harriet Harman is in Radio 4 right now saying that Labour need to convince the public that its purpose is to "deliver social justice". There's still a long way to go before they hit rock bottom.

Oh dear

I'm sure that the Labour voters in Hartlepool who avoided the polling stations did it in protest at Labour's lack of commitment to delivering social justice.

@Zinco

Quote from:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/khalid-mahmood-quit-labour-frontbench-starmer-b1843967.html

"Labour MP Khalid Mahmood has quit Keir Starmer’s frontbench, warning that the party has been taken over by “a London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors”.

Mr Mahmood had served as a shadow defence minister since Starmer’s arrival in office, but said he resigned because Labour had “lost touch with ordinary British people”.

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I guess the criticism/attack on the Tory Party that they are an out of touch, arrogant clique, doesn't really work when the Labour Party are considered equally so.

This would be great if anyone had heard of Khalid Mahmood before today.

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Not Labour, but I got an email from the local Lib Dems encouraging me to go out and vote for them (was a member, did lots of campaigning in the past). I responded saying I wouldn’t, given their stance on self ID and women’s rights. I got a patronising response saying I was wrong. Idiots.

I'm listening to the Radio 5 phone in election post-mortem and the presenter, Nicky Campbell, just joked that he misheard a speaker as saying 'gender' adding, and we're not going to go there (ho ho). The BBC clearly regard it as way too hot to handle

I heard that. Bloody BBC

@Biscuitsanddoombar

The comment that Labour don’t seem to like the people they want votes from really struck a chord

Lots of Labour activists on twitter saying things like “ppl who vote Tory don’t care about decency or fairness” or the more straightforward “Tory bigots” and you know really?

I vote(d) Labour all my life but my husband votes conservative. He is a decent kind man and Labour are hardly going to persuade him to vote for them by saying that the reason he doesn’t atm is because he’s an awful person

This.

Labour Party member for over 30yrs, did a bit of enthusiastic canvassing for them back in my student days (early 80's) but have much loved, and lovely, in laws who are Tory. My best friends dad, growing up, was a WC Tory and was the kindest man you could ever imagine. Many people are Tory because they think the capitalism it promotes as a political philosophy is the best system for everyone. I think they're wrong, but that's a difference about the best way to a good outcome, not a difference between the good guys and the bad guys.

Women understand the contempt being shown to us, as a class, by labour. So do the working classes.

Women understand the contempt being shown to us, as a class, by Labour. So do the working classes.

Great comment and it is the problem with Labour in a nutshell.

@MaMaLa321

I'm listening to the Radio 5 phone in election post-mortem and the presenter, Nicky Campbell, just joked that he misheard a speaker as saying 'gender' adding, and we're not going to go there (ho ho). The BBC clearly regard it as way too hot to handle

I heard that. Bloody BBC

Brushing it under the carpet isn't making it go away, BBC.

Women understand the contempt being shown to us, as a class, by labour. So do the working classes.

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They don't seem to understand that the working class has changed.
A generation ago my uncles, aunts and cousins would have been your typical working class Labour voter.
In one generation they have become hugely disenfranchised. They're more likely to vote Conservative or UKIP (or their equivalent now). They're not idiots or bad people. But Labour no longer understands or is interested in their needs.

I generally vote conservative these days, but I do feel very grateful for the Labour of old for creating things like the NHS. I am genuinely saddened to see Labour’s current woes. I am also in the camp of wishing to see a strong opposition -especially at the moment considering the size of the Tory majority.

In my view Labour are failing to delineate between the activist portion of the left and the political wing. A politician is always to some extent limited by what their constituents will accept, activists are the ones who raise awareness and change minds on any given issue. This is how real, meaningful change is secured. Labour are being punished for blurring these lines and being too diffuse on what it is exactly they want to stand for.

I will be glad when Labour can fix the issues but unfortunately I don't think this is possible. Neil Kinnock (on of my favorites) took on the hard left and it was a real battle but Kinnock won and although he didn't get elected, he laid the path for Blair. Sir K just doesn't seem to have that sort of bottle, a fence sitter is too faint hearted to rid the party of the hate filled politics.

Someone said that Brexit was in the past but if you look at the hatred that is still felt for Thatcher in northern constituencies, Sheffield, Nick Clegg etc Labour would be daft to think the betrayal of Brexit can be papered over (remainer here but democracy is my big thing).

It would be a good start if Labour came out and said that the laws protecting trans people in the UK are pretty good (which they are), but women's rights were just as important and needed protecting.

Except, i no longer trust Labour and Sir K has made this worse by his superficial 'flag waving'

"Women understand the contempt being shown to us, as a class, by Labour. So do the working classes."

This was the moment when I really started to question why I was a Labour voter. The utter contempt for the working class and particularly this woman is astonishing and shocking.

Corbyn’s 2017 non election win “win” was credited to appealing to young people on social media. Trans activists and general woke identity politics is driven by social media. Labour needs to stop listening to social media. It doesn’t reflect real life and real people’s concerns.

This labour loss has made me see the links between anti semitism and misogyny and the BLM, TRAs and Wokism. This is all part of corbynism in the Labour Party - he may not have held these views but he allowed them to flourish.

I don’t get, psychologically how “anti-hate” campaigners are linked to hate of women and Jewish people. How do they square that circle?

@nauticant

Harriet Harman is in Radio 4 right now saying that Labour need to convince the public that its purpose is to "deliver social justice". There's still a long way to go before they hit rock bottom.

But apparently she is still out there doing her best to ensure they do reach rock bottom. They really don't seem to understand their own problem, they are so ideologically blinded. I personally fear that Labour is entirely lost and it will take another party or a rebuilding of Labour from the bottom to the top to fill the void left by 'old Labour'.

Dawn Butler says babies are not born with a sex. Labour is fully through the looking glass on this issue, and so many others.

I’ve been a left leaning person all my life and I’m gutted that I can’t vote Labour or Greens because of their ridiculous anti-woman stances. I’m not yet at the point where I could bear to vote Tory, but that’s the last remnants of tribalism in me. Not surprised in the least that big swathes of ordinary working people are saying sod that for a game of soldiers.

The woke dudebros will never see it. Maybe Labour actually needs to disband and a new party rise from the ashes. God knows.

Matt Forde had a good rant on the latest Newscast episode (30 mins in), saying Labour will keep losing because it thinks it's morally superior to the Tories and doesn't seem to understand that the British public is pragmatic in its voting choices.