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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cultural differences around the age of getting married

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nickymanchester · 06/05/2021 16:19

I just had a very interesting chat with my DH where he was telling me some of the things that his work colleagues had been telling him about what the expectations of marriage are where they are located.

I just had no idea that there were such differences. Am I naive to not have realised that these attitudes still exist?

By way of background, DH works for a large engineering company that have operations throughout the world and he was talking to some colleagues in the USA (specifically in the southeast US - that is North & South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi etc).

One colleague just mentioned that his daughter, who is in the final year of university, had just got married. My DH expressed surprise about that, with her being so young and still studying, but he said that this was quite normal in that part of the world.

Apparently their zoom meeting then got side tracked into a discussion on this and a couple of them said that in the Southeast USA, there still seems to be familial/societal pressure for girls to be married by the time they graduate college.

Another colleague also mentioned that his daughter had got married in the summer before her last year of college as well and since then had attended over 25 weddings of friends in similar situations over the last two years.

Another colleague, who is based in the midwest (places like Nebraska, Kansas etc) said it was a similar situation there with loads of weddings in the first year or two after college.

Perhaps I should have put this in AIBU, but AIBU to be surprised that there is still this sort of pressure or expectation in a western country in the 21st century?

Elsewhere in the US, things are obviously very different (or, at least, I presume they are) as the US Census Bureau says that the median age for first marriage for a woman is 27.9.

The average age for first marriage for a woman in the UK is 32.

Now, obviously, a lot fewer people are actually getting married these days and there is less pressure on people to get married.

However, for there to be a four year difference in age of first marriage between the UK and the US shows that there are some real cultural differences.

It's even more stark when you look at individual states. In many of the states in the southeast and midwest the median age of first marriage for a woman is 25 or 26.

Whereas in places like New York or Washington it is about 30 - a lot closer to the UK figure.

When my DH mentioned this conversation to me I didn't think much about it, but the fact that the age of first marriage in those states is so much lower than in the UK (and other parts of the US) show that, yes, this is actually still a thing in those parts of the US - an expectation that women are to be married off as soon as is reasonable.

Are we (or, at least, some Americans) still living in a world like that?

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ScrollingLeaves · 06/05/2021 16:27

Is the reason for the younger age in the south east states due to religious beliefs I wonder?

Not an answer to your question, but related, I also saw an interesting documentary recently about how in some states a rape conviction can be overturned if the rapist marries the girl, and how some parents encourage this. These rape cases can involve girls under the age of consent.

korawick12345 · 06/05/2021 16:28

Firstly what is a 'world like that'? Secondly unless they are all marrying men significantly older than them which IME isn't the case then it's not a case of women being 'married off' so much as couples choosing to marry earlier.

korawick12345 · 06/05/2021 16:29

And yes i would consider that there is likely a religious element as there are far more people who are actively 'christian' in the US than the UK and by that I mean they are religious in a way that informs the lifestyle choices they make

Mummytemping · 06/05/2021 16:32

It’s due to religious beliefs. I’m part of a community in the UK where average age of marriage is much younger than 30. Most of my friends were married by 26/27. 15 years on most are happy (as far as I know!).

P0gM0Th0in · 06/05/2021 16:41

I’ve always noticed this on Reddit. People in the US seem to get married so bloody young!

ErrolTheDragon · 06/05/2021 16:52

This has marriage ages (with/without parental and/or judicial consent) around the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

The US varies by state. In theory girls of 12 can marry with judicial consent in (surprisingly) Massachusetts (14 for boys).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarriageageeintheeUnitedStates#Ageeofunderageemarriagebyy_jurisdiction

DeepThinkingGirl · 06/05/2021 16:54

I think marriage means different things to different people and so culture and religion as well as economy and financial arrangement come in to play.

Not everyone sees marriage as a financial partnership and not everyone sees it as a “till death do us apart”

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/05/2021 17:04

Apparently their zoom meeting then got side tracked into a discussion on this and a couple of them said that in the Southeast USA, there still seems to be familial/societal pressure for girls to be married by the time they graduate college.

I disagree that there is societal pressure. I have lived in the Southeastern US almost all of my life and been to many many weddings. I have never been to a wedding where the bride was still in college. I think the youngest bride was about 23. Most were in their late 20s.

BlackForestCake · 06/05/2021 17:07

In the UK posh people seem to get married younger than the rest of us. It seems quite the thing in some circles to graduate from university and then immediately get married.

charlestonchaplin · 06/05/2021 17:07

In Christian communities that take ‘No sex before marriage’ seriously, some do get married earlier than average to avoid ‘falling into sin’. It’s not necessarily a bad thing.

In the modern Western world, people choose their own life partners and get married later (with attendant fertility issues not infrequently) but there is still a lot of unhappiness in relationships and relationship breakdowns. The only benefit IMO is a greater sense of agency in one’s own life, which is not to be sniffed at, but I think there is a danger of assuming one’s own cultural norms to be superior, especially here in the West. It’s not necessarily so.

People with strong religious or cultural ideas around marriage are, I think, often more focused and pragmatic about marriage. Not constantly chasing some nebulous relationship utopia. The downside can be greater stigma when people do choose to divorce and perhaps women tolerating more bad behaviour to avoid divorcing.

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/05/2021 17:09

I just looked up Georgia, my native state. The average age for women getting married is 27, for men, 29.

Echobelly · 06/05/2021 17:09

I think in middle America it's much more commmon than, say, big coastal cities - cynical part of me wonders if this may be connected with 'saving yourself for marriage' type attitudes to having sex Grin

charlestonchaplin · 06/05/2021 17:11

In some cultures, marriage comes before children, not twenty years after a couple has been living together (why?). In such cases, it makes sense to get married by mid-twenties. Childbirth is a young woman’s business. Medically, the best age to have children is about 18 to 28.

BittyBatHats · 06/05/2021 17:13

It's not the 'US'. The US is a massive country with very big cultural differences within it. In the South it's far more common for couples to get married directly after university. In the North it's more common people to establish careers first and get married in their early 30s.

SenecaFallsRedux · 06/05/2021 17:15

Statistics show that Southerners do get married on average younger than the rest of the country, but not by much. So the stereotype is actually false.

I do think that generally speaking, it's expected that people will marry before they have children, but that expectation is changing, even in the South.

toto23 · 06/05/2021 17:16

I wasn't fussed what age I got married (26 and in the UK) , I'd been with my DH by that point for over 6 years and wanted children (not religious , just didn't want a different surname to my children).

Marguerite2000 · 06/05/2021 17:18

The average age of marriage used to be much lower in the UK, and it wasn't due to religious belief. I grew up in the '60s and '70s, most of the people I knew got married in their late teens/early 20s. One common reason was pregnancy, it was still considered undesirable to be unmarried parents, other couples wanted to get on with their adult lives so kind of a social status thing.

Angelica789 · 06/05/2021 17:19

I think if you go to Christian college you’re expected to be married by the time you graduate. There’s a saying ‘ring by spring’ but I don’t know which spring that is

LibertyMole · 06/05/2021 17:19

I am surprised it is 32 in the U.K.

Early twenties is a sensible time to get married.

SmokedDuck · 06/05/2021 17:20

I have a good number of friends from the non-urban parts of the US, and yes, many of them married on the younger side.

I'm not sure why that is deeply surprising, really, or why it would require a comment like "living in a world like that". They are adults and physically speaking, those are the prime chid-bearing years. You could just as sensibly ask why we'd want a culture that pushes that back.

DeepThinkingGirl · 06/05/2021 17:21

Medically, the best age to have children is about 18 to 28.

^ this definately. I think there is a clear conflict between what’s medically favourable for women and what the criteria of marriage are.

I think women are being stripped away from their real choice of making the most of their peak fertility windows, in the name of “right age for marriage”.

webuiltthiscityonrockandwheat · 06/05/2021 17:22

Agree with it being a religious thing. My husband and I are Christian and we were married at 24 and 22. It's incredibly normal within our church for people to be married before they're 25. We know a lot of people from a Christian college in Texas and they all get married young, more so than over here. I've just had my second baby at 32 and feel ancient compared to some of them!

SmokedDuck · 06/05/2021 17:23

@Marguerite2000

The average age of marriage used to be much lower in the UK, and it wasn't due to religious belief. I grew up in the '60s and '70s, most of the people I knew got married in their late teens/early 20s. One common reason was pregnancy, it was still considered undesirable to be unmarried parents, other couples wanted to get on with their adult lives so kind of a social status thing.
I suspect that a driving factor is the extension of education.
TerribleCustomerCervix · 06/05/2021 17:26

@LibertyMole

I am surprised it is 32 in the U.K.

Early twenties is a sensible time to get married.

I wouldn’t be able to stay married to 20-24 year old me, never mind expect someone else to!

Most people I know are completely different to the person they were in their early 20s by the time they hit 30. Different priorities and interests, for better or worse.

DeepThinkingGirl · 06/05/2021 17:29

TerribleCustomerCervix

But I can definately imagine 20 year old me having babies and being quite more efficient at it than I am now.

I think family life does ground your priorities and without that then, Ofcourse you would have different more self centred priorities.

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