New CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

[TheFleegleHasLanded]

I struggled to even come up with a title for this thread as I am so enraged I know I will get deleted and even banned if I say what I really think.

twitter.com/EdinRapeCrisis/status/1389112490215288832?s=20

Mridhul is concerned with advancing trans rights. That is their focus.

That is not what the CEO of a rape crisis centre shoudl be about. The focus in a RCC should be on supporting survivors, not making political points.

I think this appt was deliberate.

They knew what response it woudl attract. I wonder if they are even hoping it will be challenged.

I think it's an attempt to cut the EA off at the knees.

Perpetual, that's a lovely and heartfelt poem.

Mothers teach their daughters, always have done. They'll be strong, just like we are.

perpetual 🌻

Aww Perpetual. What a lovely poem. She's lucky to have you.

@ArabellaScott

Mridhul is concerned with advancing trans rights. That is their focus.

That is not what the CEO of a rape crisis centre shoudl be about. The focus in a RCC should be on supporting survivors, not making political points.

I think this appt was deliberate.

They knew what response it woudl attract. I wonder if they are even hoping it will be challenged.

I think it's an attempt to cut the EA off at the knees.

I wonder what possible legal arguments they could have in defence. Perhaps some ‘alternative facts’ interpretation of the relevant schedule, whereby they interpret not hiring a transsexual person, even if she has a GRC, as meaning a transman. (Sophistry that would be no doubt transphobic if anyone else tried it.) Because their advert did welcome applications from TW as well as invoking the exception. So I can see how this was deliberately done, then if successfully challenged, claim plausible deniability on misunderstanding the EA schedule.

@ArabellaScott

Mridhul is concerned with advancing trans rights. That is their focus.

That is not what the CEO of a rape crisis centre shoudl be about. The focus in a RCC should be on supporting survivors, not making political points.

I think this appt was deliberate.

They knew what response it woudl attract. I wonder if they are even hoping it will be challenged.

I think it's an attempt to cut the EA off at the knees.

Absolutely. This was no chance appointment.

I've seen people argue that the 'female' includes transwomen before - although I think since the EHRC came out in support of Maya Forstater recently that will be a very difficult point to argue. And the EA exemptions seem incredibly clear to me.

Holding on for Ann Sinnott tomorrow ...

Thing is that while what they have done is not legal for at least 2 reasons

It would need a court case and presumably one brought by someone with reason to do so (not sure on the second point though).

Court cases cost a lot of money, take a lot of time and are stressful etc.

So the fact it's illegal only matters if someone is in a position to challenge it.

These people all meet at the same committees, have done for years. All funded by ScotGov. It's all on record. They then lobby ScotGov.

Only lobby groups appoved by ScotGov get to be funded by ScotGov so that they then can lobby ScotGov. ScotGov don't meet with the non approved groups.

Women's prisons were 'strategised' as the first to target by the Scottish Trans Alliance. On official record.

Women's rape centres now look like the focus.

What next, do you think?

Have just seen this via a supportive tweet for ERCC. Am more horrified than the appointment of a self identifying trans women as CEO:

Women only spaces

We offer women only spaces (which are inclusive of trans women) in our centre on Tuesdays 4pm – 7pm, Wednesdays 12.30pm – 4pm and Fridays 9am – 12.30pm. The rest of the week we offer appointments to people of all genders.

www.ercc.scot/who-we-support-and-our-services/

Rape Crisis centres who did this should have a clear banner on their web site / facebook page / twitter account that they do NOT have a safe space for women.

What is worse is not the trans individual trying to push boundaries, but all the women who are enabling and supporting this.

And they believe they are right.

These people all meet at the same committees, have done for years. All funded by ScotGov. It's all on record. They then lobby ScotGov.

There's sort of a weird loop here with the Sturgeon vs Salmond thing.

The SNP have been using their pet rape charities as a sort of government mouthpiece to denounce Salmond, his acquittal, etc.

It's possible the focus on rape charities was strategic as an anti-Salmond thing, and now I guess it extends into being an anti-women thing.

They need to co-opt any vaguely women-related groups so they can get them to support all the SNP's GRA or "can't request female examiner" type laws.

@stumbledin

Have just seen this via a supportive tweet for ERCC. Am more horrified than the appointment of a self identifying trans women as CEO:

Women only spaces

We offer women only spaces (which are inclusive of trans women) in our centre on Tuesdays 4pm – 7pm, Wednesdays 12.30pm – 4pm and Fridays 9am – 12.30pm. The rest of the week we offer appointments to people of all genders.

www.ercc.scot/who-we-support-and-our-services/

Rape Crisis centres who did this should have a clear banner on their web site / facebook page / twitter account that they do NOT have a safe space for women.

What is worse is not the trans individual trying to push boundaries, but all the women who are enabling and supporting this.

And they believe they are right.

Yes just seen this on Mayday. A rape crisis centre with no women only days. What the actual fuck has happened. WE set those services up.

This is a time for women’s rights in Scotland. I think I’m going to start emailing anyone that may listen in our government to beg/plead that this doesn’t happen in England.

This is a bad time in Scotland for women’s rights**

Who’d want to be a woman, eh?

The thread about this on AIBU filled up quickly, with 87% shocked appalled and opposed. I really don’t understand the 13% who wish to remove women’s resources in favour of everyone else. Is there exporting to the Charities Commission the best move now.? I have no faith that the politicians will intervene .What else are Scottish Women able to do? The final straw is seeing that in fact there are no woman only sessions.

thread:
[[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4235031-To-think-that-a-Rape-Crisis-centre-should-not-have-a-transwoman-CEO]]

apologies
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4235031-To-think-that-a-Rape-Crisis-centre-should-not-have-a-transwoman-CEO

@Thecatonthemat

The thread about this on AIBU filled up quickly, with 87% shocked appalled and opposed. I really don’t understand the 13% who wish to remove women’s resources in favour of everyone else. Is there exporting to the Charities Commission the best move now.? I have no faith that the politicians will intervene .What else are Scottish Women able to do? The final straw is seeing that in fact there are no woman only sessions.

Yes I was but I’ve come to realise that MN has a large following of men now. You really don’t know who is behind the username. It’s all smoke and mirrors. I was ok a thread on Twitter and the responses were very positive towards the appointment so many women congratulating him - but then I looked closer and they were actually men.

I thought it curious that the vote (87-13%) remained the same for so long, especially given many posters commenting that they had not been aware of the background.

It would be oscr in Scotland.
Sorry if that's been mentioned already.
www.oscr.org.uk/

Definitely complain to OSCR. The ins and outs of why the appointment process was legally flawed have been well explained on the thread and I can’t see why OSCR would ignore them.

I wondered if the code for updating the poll results was broken.

I think we have also got to accepted that even thought sex based rights are allowed to be spoken about on mumsnet, there are very very few other places this is happening.

So many people, not just those who have recently been at University, have totally bought into the TWAW belief.

As I said up thread, not surprising an individual trans woman would want to push the boundaries, but they are being enabled to do this by a disappointingly large number of women.

So although some sort of complaint about improperly advertising the job and the appointment (which I suspect they will just get a little slap on the wrist for) most other interested parties, ie local and central government will think they are doing nothing wrong.

But just how far and how damagins the TWAW culture is for women needing support services after suffering male violence it the absolutley heartless decision to say the only women "only" services are open to trans women.

That is putting the promotion of personal ideology above the professional provision of support services for women survivors of male violence.

I have just sent a letter of complaint with the evidence of 3 years of MOJ statistics on sexual offenders (including 4 years of transgender sexual offenders) that the "propensity to sexually offend" of transgender population (both sexes) is 38-94 HIGHER than thata of the Female population, but slightly less than the 112 for bio-males.

It is 23 years to the day yday since i lost my teaching career for pointing out the school lving ge of 16 and the criminl responsibility of children age 10 when 99% of sexul offenders are male. The absence of sexually offending transmen (transgender females) suggests therefore that... 99% of sexual offenders are male, regardless of gender identity.

The best thing is if I could turn that into petition.
I dont know which petition sites are OK these days.

Edinburgh Rape Crisis: Registered Charity Ref: SC 006208
17 Claremont Crescent,
Edinburgh
EH7 5HX
Dear Kathryn Dawson,
Formal Complaint about appointment of Transgender Male as CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis for women
I can date my sympathy and support for transwomen (transgender males) going back to 1979, over 40 years, 5 years before I understood I was lesbian. I literally cannot believe the apparent appointment of a transwoman (transgender male) as the CEO of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.
While I believe you are acting with the best of motives, I make this complaint because, this decision is not compliant according to law nor on UK government assurances on this precise point. I believe you have not considered the statistical evidence of the sex specificity of rape and other sexual violence, nor the reality of ‘female-specific rape trauma’, as suffered by female rape survivors, following assault by men which includes clinical symptoms and statistically accurate fear of biological males.
Exemption from Same-Sex Exemption of the Equality Act [2010] Equality is quite different to “equity”

Your organisation exists to provide support to women (females) who have been raped and sexually assaulted, by UK Government Office for National Statistics ONS statistics 88% Female, cited by Rape Crisis (England & Wales) expressed as 1 in 5 (20%) of female adults, which compares with a 1 in 25 (4%) of all males (usually sexually offended against by other males). The ONS (8 Feb 2018) total of 88% female sexually offended against coincides very closely with the 90% total of females of Eurostats Sexual Offences in Europe (2018). Many if not all of these women – female for disambiguation, suffer ‘female specific rape trauma’, include clinical symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress that relate to proximity or physical contact with male people. The clinical symptoms of rape trauma do not discriminate on the basis of gender identity but are based on the biological reality of sex and the very different “propensities to sexually offend” 1: 112 female to male (average for 2017 + 2018 + 2019).
Biological Sex Specificity of Rape & other offences of sexual violence & or Abuse – 99% offenders are Male
Over two decades show that from 2002-2020, and even with some male sexual offenders with GRCs counted as if female, more than 99% of all sexual offenders are MALE. Included in the end notes the MOJ sexual offender statistics (2002-2020) for the larger jurisdiction of England & Wales of 59.1 million, collated by me from the bottom of MOJ spreadsheets, which might as well have been designed to conceal the biological sex reality of rape and other offences of sexual violence and abuse.