Caitlyn Jenner OPPOSES trans girls competing in girls sport

[hm246]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9533463/Caitlyn-Jenner-says-OPPOSES-trans-girls-competing-girls-sport.html

This really highlights for me that not all trans identifying people think the same way or believe in gender identity ideology as promoted by organisations claiming to represent them. We knew that of course, we know of others who are free thinking and trans. It just makes it even more obvious that there is something akin to a religious belief or authoritarian political dogma in gender identity ideology which is entirely irrelevant to simply offering the same respect and dignity to trans individuals that would be accorded to all other individuals in society. Gender identity ideology is about privileging trans as a group in society rather than finding a balance of meeting essential needs of all groups.

Caitlyn Jenner is a strong enough individual in a strong position. Caitlyn is unlikely to care about attacks from gender ideology extremists. I don’t believe Caitlyn is the cowardly or fearful sort who will apologise and publicly proclaim that the orthodox gender identity ideology line is the one true way.

@hm246

Not seen one tweet mention about trans boys competing in boys sports only trans girls in girls......wonder why 🤔

Exactly, it's always the agenda the trans girls should compete because they know full well they will win. As they have an advantage, in sports it should be never be allowed. If they want a separate category for trans athletes then fair enough but they never seem to want to compete just against other trans individuals. I'm glad CJ has said this being trans.

My fairly woke son had already 'done a Jenner' over sports, after learning about Fallon Fox.

Of course they’re all shouting about “the evidence” that transwomen/trans girls have no advantage,

This transwoman won a gold medal in the men's decathlon.

I'd say that refutes that quite strongly.

Man, what a woman.

@EdwinPootsLovesArchaeology

My fairly woke son had already 'done a Jenner' over sports, after learning about Fallon Fox.

Fallon is a terrific campaigner for keeping women’s sports single sex, despite Fallon ostensibly opposing that

I'm conflicted about CJ.

CJ is obviously right about transwomen/girls in womens' sports. It's an absolute no brainer.

However, CJ also made a big thing about using the women's toilets in one of Trump's edifeces? CJ even FILMED it

CJ also won the 2015 Glamour "Woman of the year" award, which, although CJ was nominated for, CJ didn't have to accept.

There was THIS where CJ admitted on camera that CJ tried on his 10 year old daughter's clothes - referring to them as "little daughters".

Call me cynical, but I think CJ's only motivation for this is political clout - knowing how much CJ supports Trump and the Republican party. On CJ's past track record (excuse the pun), I don't actually think CJ supports women as CJ has demonstrated on numerous occasions.

I don't think we should forget who CJ REALLY is.

I don't think we should forget who CJ REALLY is.

Thank you, Hamster. It was getting a bit cloying.

which, although CJ was nominated for, CJ didn't have to accept.

This I think gets to the nub of it. Even if institutions are prepared to let you be a dick, that doesn't excuse you from being a dick.

Apologies @MNHQ, I didn't mean to misgender CJ.

CJ tried on his - please feel free to change to "their"

I’m with NiceGerbil on this. This is politically motivated and has nothing to do with CJ believing in the rights of women and girls to fair competition.

Yea good points hamster.

Is it "fair" to receive an award for women, for becoming an embodiment of sexist female stereotypes, when women compete against and battle sexism and sexist stereotypes daily?

This is politically motivated and has nothing to do with CJ believing in the rights of women and girls to fair competition.

No, that's unfair in the other direction. Those are not mutually exclusive.

Clearly political motivation means Jenner is not inclined to discount fair competition as Democrats do, but you can't just say it's totally politically motivated.

I think it's more common for political motivation to suppress true beliefs than to expound false ones.

I don't think we should forget who CJ REALLY is.

Absolutely this.

I’m with NiceGerbil on this. This is politically motivated and has nothing to do with CJ believing in the rights of women and girls to fair competition.

I don't think Jenner had any other option tbh. Sport is Jenner's thing. Republicans want sport kept single sex. But I genuinely can't believe they would personally think otherwise too, given their own sports past.

The whole dressy ups stuff = woman is separate, baring in mind how many famous women succeed professionally just being a female stereotype. They think they're on a level playing field there.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Fantastic reply though: "Ahhhh so it IS a ladder... all along we were told it was a step down into oppression".

Yes. Wonderful reply!

In fairness to CJ, I remember her saying this over a year ago, before the legislation being pushed through in Republican states. I assumed she had changed her mind as I hadn't heard anything else from her on the topic since.

Also in fairness, California is not Alabama, and taking a hard-right position on social issues is not going to be politically advantageous, even for a Republican.

She may still change her tune, of course. Doubt she has JKR's strength of character.

I agree this is for political gain rather than Jenner particularly caring about women and girls. However, I'll take it.

What I'd love to see is a push to keep sports single sex, but to focus on openly including people who are trans or gender non-conforming. So the men's team is for biological men, but trans women/boys are also welcome and there's no tolerance for anyone taking the piss for someone presenting in a feminine way, just as we're also cracking down on racism and homophobia in sport. I know many TRAs would not accept this but I think it would be a really positive message.

Is it too much to hope that the bloody Kardashians with their huge influence will come out in support of this statement by Caitlyn? My respect for Caitlyn has gone through the roof, I might have a crumb of respect for one of the Kardashians if they had the guts/brains to support this

*Oops I mean trans women/girls

@Eminybob

Never thought I’d agree with something Caitlin Jenner has to say. But she’s not wrong.

😆 I know right!!! But 100% Agree

Of course they’re all shouting about “the evidence” that transwomen/trans girls have no advantage, without being able to produce any of it.

Fortunately, plenty of people are posting the evidence of all the advantages of male physiology that are not cancelled out by hormones.

@HamsterV2

I'm conflicted about CJ.

CJ is obviously right about transwomen/girls in womens' sports. It's an absolute no brainer.

However, CJ also made a big thing about using the women's toilets in one of Trump's edifeces? CJ even FILMED it

CJ also won the 2015 Glamour "Woman of the year" award, which, although CJ was nominated for, CJ didn't have to accept.

There was THIS where CJ admitted on camera that CJ tried on his 10 year old daughter's clothes - referring to them as "little daughters".

Call me cynical, but I think CJ's only motivation for this is political clout - knowing how much CJ supports Trump and the Republican party. On CJ's past track record (excuse the pun), I don't actually think CJ supports women as CJ has demonstrated on numerous occasions.

I don't think we should forget who CJ REALLY is.

You’re spot on. I watched a very telling episode of the Kardashians a few months ago where a meeting was set up between Jenner and Chris Jenner - it was supposedly the first time they met face to face with Jenner dressed as Caitlyn. It was excruciatingly uncomfortable to watch with Jenner being quite overbearing towards Chris about how she’d not made enough effort to accept Jenner’s transition and welcome ‘Caitlyn’ with open arms. Chris was clearly upset at Jenner.

Let’s not forget that here’s a woman who’s husband of many years, father to her children, decided that he was really a she and left her very publicly then expects her to support this and fawn all over them. If anyone should have been awarded ‘Woman of the Year’ it should have been Chris Jenner.

if CJ can win the olympics as a woman competing in the men’s events, then there’s obviously nothing that transwomen can’t do if they put their backs into it!

And yet, activists won’t see it that way. And will minimize Jenner’s contribution to political beliefs etc. except they are one of highest performing trans athletes when you look at it. That can’t be denied.

And like the TdF trans winner, their sport is not offered to women which is another undeniable fact.

Yes that was appalling.

No fawning at all from me.

Another point about women’s sports is that top-level sports are a platform and showcase. There is a ripple effect when we see injustice in top-level sports. If women and girls have to accept injustice there, we have to accept it everywhere. And so it builds.

I do think 2 extra categories for sport should be created. I have a trans friend I cannot even imagine how she was ever a man but... she goes around winning women’s triathlons and other competitions and that doesn’t seem fair.

Perhaps we should have trans olympics in the way we have paralympics?