Lesbian Visibility Week

[ASugarr]

As Lesbian Visibility Week comes to an end, I want to make a quick reminder that
ALL LESBIANS ARE VALID!

Cisgender and Transgender women can be lesbians. Transgender men who date women don't consider themselves lesbians. All Lesbians deserve visibility!

Additionally, many have stated that they don't wish to date transgender people. That's fine! Just because someone is in the same dating pool doesn't mean you MUST be attracted to them. Plus genital preference is also totally fine! But don't forget, trans women are women so please do not degrade them just because you personally don't wish to date them.

Plus, let's continue to educate one another on the important information. Like preventing STI's as a lesbian, domestic abuse in lesbian relationships and how to deal with that, safe and consentual sex between lesbians. This is what we need to be educating young lesbians and bisexual women on.

Have a fabulous long weekend all 🤍🌈

Not my fault they made a racist comment

She didnt make a racist comment

So just to clarify, Asugarr, you won't apologise for your racist post?

So hang on. It's transphobic to say your brother, who you call a trans man (or transman, I forget) and say has undergone transition was, at one point, a little girl. If he was always a boy/man, what was he transitioning from? And, I repeat, what happens if he detransitions/transitions back to a woman? Would it still be transphobic to call him a woman/girl then?

@blackwhiteandstripey

Calling my brother a girl is transphobic and wrong

Your brother was born a girl. You've told everyone this already.

Have I fallen through the looking glass here or something?

He is a man. That's all you need to say.

You compared black women to males who identify as women. Bad behaviour.

Well this has gone even further down hill then expected. I can't say anymore, because it would end up being rude most likely.

@Monicuddle

You compared black women to males who identify as women. Bad behaviour.

Just pointing out they are women regardless of the adjectives or descriptions you insist upon.

For ASugarr

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Yes I'm cisgender. Doesn't mean I'm not a woman.

But the whole transgender movement has made cis a subset of woman.

I am a woman. I am not a subset of woman.

You conflated 'black women' with 'transwomen', & you know perfectly well that that was racist.

Or if you don't, luckily MNHQ & the rest of us do.

Hi Rufus. My post? I don't see any deleted posts from me, unless I'm missing something

I'm starting to get lost in this thread!

The post at 19:33, sorry...

@LostToucan

Yes I'm cisgender. Doesn't mean I'm not a woman.

But the whole transgender movement has made cis a subset of woman.

I am a woman. I am not a subset of woman.

That's only because you think being transgender as a subset.

Yep. I'm a woman. That's it. Literally.

Honestly I'm trying to engage politely and to learn and understand.

But its really hard when people refuse to answer properly.
Transman/woman etc without the space is wrong. Except when Sugar uses it to prove its wrong.
Sugars brother is a trans man but was never a girl. So that means he was born male/a boy and therefore isn't a trans man. He is a biological/natal/cis man?

Likewise Shizuku is a trans woman but was born female. And therefore isn't trans. Apparently.

And yes I know what you'll say. That Shiz was born female because they've always known that's their identity. And likewise Sugar's brother was born male because he's always known his identity was male.

But words have meanings. And female and male are sex terms. If you were born as the sex you now identify as then you aren't trans.

Like I've said, my best friend is married to a trans man. I refer to him as he. I use his man's name. But he was a girl child. He lived as a woman until recently. He has discussed San pro with me. Because he is well aware that he cannot identify out of his female biology.

For all those interested I said Your brother was once a little girl. Given that ASugarr has said her brother is a transman, this seems to me to be a truthful and fair comment to make.
On this thread and others it's true that ASugarr has said her brother is a transman.

By definition this means that ASugarr's brother was born a natal female as he (the brother) is now a transman.

In what way is acknowledging the fact of conception transphobic? Does ASugarr's overweening need to compel speech and the thoughts of others remove the immutable fact presented at her brother's birth? This must never be allowed to happen.

@Nodal

Yep. I'm a woman. That's it. Literally.

So am I. And my brother is a man. Trans women are women. Just like we are. And trans men are men. That's it. Congrats! You're getting it.

[quote blackwhiteandstripey]@ASugarr

He is a man. That's all you need to say.

ASugarr I posted that in the context of asking you about your journey to becoming an ally. Anyone can go back and read the original post.

It is factual to state that your brother was born a girl, otherwise he hasn't had a journey to becoming a transman.

If we're supposed to celebrate transpeople making the decision to transition, how can we even conceptualise it without knowing they were once a girl or woman before they became a boy or a man or vice versa?[/quote]
But it's incorrect. My brother was never a girl.

No. We think transwoman are something that we are not allowed to say.

Congrats! You're getting it

Id chill with the sarcasm

Its not a good look when you seem completely and utterly unable to understand the majority of the perfectly understandable posts

[quote ArabellaScott]Delphinium - can I interest you in this religion, instead?

[/quote] Converted!

ASugar

You are the only person on this thread making racist remarks. YOU are the one making claims that women of a different race are a subset of women by putting them into the same group as males who identify as women but are forever males.

The logic you use is inherently racist. People have been telling you this. You are doubling down on your fallacious claim and you are making some rather irrational claims that other posters are making the claims when they are actually trying to point out what YOUR statements actually mean.

If you cannot see it, and you ignore women who are saying to you they are black and have found this hideously racist, perhaps you need to go ask some people who are not immured in your ideology and see what they think.