Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

I think expecting lesbians to accept male bodied people as lesbians is bullying.
I think expecting women to affirm your beliefs and if they don’t, calling them bigots, is bullying.
I think you don’t actually understand what bullying means, @Shizuku, in the same way you don’t understand what language means anymore, you’ve distorted your words so far from logic and reality.

"I came to explore the wreck. / The words are purposes. / The words are maps. / I came to see the damage that was done / and the treasures that prevail."

Adrienne Rich

@GreyhoundG1rl Don’t worry - it will be easy to get back - because the majority of people aren’t confused about this at all, they never bought into it or accepted the policing of language. The kids will move on to the next thing, the academics will all write papers about it, the politicians will accuse each other and Jo Bloggs will carry on as before.
What will be left is some detransitioners who will be ignored by the medical industry who were eager for their money, and who will need support and some very angry incels who will take their fury out on women on the internet once their toys are taken away.
It’s only idiots who distort language this way and their hubris is laying them wide open now for all to see.

HamsterV2 thank you for the best belly laugh I’ve had all day 😊

As for the “trans” OP who has successfully managed to piss on Lesbian Visibility from a great height while goading all the posters on this thread - they are either a) biologically male transwomen who doesn’t give a toss about the damage being done to actual lesbians or b) a female transman who somehow also identifies as a lesbian or c) a non-binary/trans/lesbian/none-of-the-above-but-very-very-special who could be of either sex. I don’t care. All I see is someone who is truly enjoying the upset they have managed to whip up amongst women in an almost narcissistic manner.

TinselAngel, I do respect you, you’re probably the best person to comment on dealing with this type of behavior and how best to handle it? Also Bunbury 😊

[quote Wandawomble]@GreyhoundG1rl Don’t worry - it will be easy to get back - because the majority of people aren’t confused about this at all, they never bought into it or accepted the policing of language. The kids will move on to the next thing, the academics will all write papers about it, the politicians will accuse each other and Jo Bloggs will carry on as before.
What will be left is some detransitioners who will be ignored by the medical industry who were eager for their money, and who will need support and some very angry incels who will take their fury out on women on the internet once their toys are taken away.
It’s only idiots who distort language this way and their hubris is laying them wide open now for all to see.[/quote]
Thanks for that. Behind all the piss taking it's actually a genuine head wreck for me 😬

@Waitwhat23

But you have stated in many, many threads that the NHS states that 'woman is a gender term' and have used the NHS digital manual to back up your claim. Is the NHS wrong then?

yes. So..... Shizuku disagrees with ASugarr...

Please can someone confirm is woman the gender identity or is female the gender identity.

Or have both terms been destabilised enough that it is all completely meaningless anyway ?

Seriously, Asugarr, how do you explain Shizukus disagreeing with what is a gender term. You have been very forthright in stating the NHS style guide (Not the actual NHS guidelines mind you....). Are you going to point this out or not?

@Silvergreen

The looney gender cult that is now firmly embedded in the LGB community - see it in all its glory. My lesbian friends & I were all early adopters of trans and gender inclusivity. It's hard to admit you're wrong and it's taken us all a while to get here. We are moving away from the meaningless LGBT rainbow in droves.

Welcome home 🏡 - I was also an early adopter. Never again.

@FeckTheMagicDragon - All I see is someone who is truly enjoying the upset they have managed to whip up amongst women in an almost narcissistic manner.

Yep, I think you are right. Thank fuck for common sense.

Lots of widows, myself included, have said we don't find it offensive at all, but off trots Asugarr to orchestrate a pile on regardless.

That tweet did get reported and upheld though didn't it?

@GreyhoundG1rl it’s coming to a head - this is just a barnacle clinging to a rock in what is about to become a very stormy sea.

That tweet did get reported and upheld though didn't it?

as being offensive that is. On twitter.... it takes a lot to offend twitter.

I'm well classy me, so I can't see "pleasure dome" without mentally reciting in Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure dome decree.

SNAP

[quote Wandawomble]@GreyhoundG1rl it’s coming to a head - this is just a barnacle clinging to a rock in what is about to become a very stormy sea.[/quote]
You're like a raft in the stormy sea, bless you 😀. I love it when people start talking sense, it resets my equilibrium in a way I can't do for myself 🤦‍♀️

I’ve got a new description:
“Language Manglers.”

I rolled my eyes when I saw the OP then I despaired at the fact people engaged. Now I am glad everyone did. I am bookmarking this thread because it demonstrates clearly the rampant homophobia and misogyny all in one place. It also provides a clear example of a male appropriating the word female as well, not satisfied with the word woman only. It’s not often you get all of those three offensive gestures collated in one place, so thank you @Shizuku and @ASugarr for representing the true ideology so well.

And well done to everyone who stuck with it and demonstrated the illogicality of it all with the level of intelligence that I have come to expect from this board. You’re all amazing.

@Wandawomble

A person can lie about themselves to their supporters but ultimately the cracks start to show at some point down the line. It was fascinating seeing the ratio on the Pride London post. It’s almost as if lesbians on masse and their supporters have woken up to what is happening. It’s going to be interesting to watch the pushback as it unfolds.

Everyone here knows the truth about what is going on, from regular posters to defenders to moderators.
The fact that people have been emboldened to spew nonsense and somehow are able to get away with it right now - is going to be remembered long after the backlash hits.

Today in the place where I work, several women were talking about these issues - I’d assumed they were all TWAW from previous conversations, however a group of them were talking and saying they can’t believe what is happening with the gender ideology and what’s happening to women. It was amazing to see, they were angry, awake, and very very vocal. In just a few months I’ve seen a rise in online groups of women talking... and real life groups of women talking about this openly with each other - and getting very very angry. Right now people are still afraid of speaking up but it’s not going to stay that way. Women are talking everywhere. Hateful men will never be able to shut us up much to their annoyance - we just keep on going, we are fucking professionals at dealing with men trying to silence us. We’ve been hiding our conversations for years.

Something else I’ve noticed that was mentioned by another group of women I know is that when someone has an obsession, the obsession takes over the more it is fuelled and given airtime to. The obsession becomes the person, everyone else is secondary to the person getting off. And ultimately it will eat the person whole. For the men who are colonising women’s spaces - this isn’t going to end well. The hubris and entitlement has one logical end - misery and loneliness. And once they have pushed women away the trust has gone, it won’t come back. There were comments to that effect on the Pride page - and I’m stating to see it popping up elsewhere too - women saying they will withdraw their support.

We are not support humans for people with issues that need our total compliance.

Yes, quite a few people are seeing how extreme things have become.

When you get an explanation that a transwoman is literally just about pronouns, people start to object to the extra rights they demand on that basis.

Well no one follows gender stereotypes anymore so there isn't much to it other than wanting to be called a woman and having she/her pronouns

Although I am boggling at a self-styled 'cis gender' woman informing an actual transwoman on this thread what it means to be trans.

Likewise telling lesbians what it means to be a lesbian, and women what it means to be a woman.

Still, it's all coming to a head now.

@Helleofabore

*lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/*

Just reading these is distressing enough and I am not a lesbian. I cannot imagine how these people continue to be supported by the LGBT community.

Maybe Shizuku would like to address these accounts posted by purgatory and the content of the lesbian-rights website....

And maybe, in light of this being Lesbian Visibility Week, Shizuku could also tell us exactly what the trans activists are doing to change this abusive culture that is continuing to build.

After all, if you are wearing the badges, it must mean that you are active in making positive changes for those on the badge. If you tell us how you are going about making these changes, maybe we can support you if they are, actually, positive changes for lesbians.

So, what are you and the activist community doing to address the abuse we seen in these links, and to be honest, I see every day on social media?

I think I am not the only one who would be very happy to join in if it helps those females* who are same sex attracted.

• (And by female, I mean those with a body formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether they produce those large gametes or not, or ever have.) And isn't it great that in Lesbian visibility week I need to add this definition to my posts because the words lack meaning otherwise. Or though, the law has clear meaning such as up thread.

Just reposting this here. I did not see an answer and I feel that it is very important that the posters who are part of this LBGT community on this thread let us know what they are doing that is fighting this horrific abuse.

If an answer was posted earlier and I missed it, I apologise.

this is too important to ignore. I am sure OP will agree.

NotBadConsidering

I suggest if you really want to read it again, you archive it (although, it may have already been archived)....

Still, it's all coming to a head now.

It is. After the winter you get lots of sunlight.

Although I am boggling at a self-styled 'cis gender' woman informing an actual transwoman on this thread what it means to be trans.

This has happened before with the same posters involved. It is eye opening isn't it? You cannot make it up.

@Helleofabore

Lots of widows, myself included, have said we don't find it offensive at all, but off trots Asugarr to orchestrate a pile on regardless.

That tweet did get reported and upheld though didn't it?

Yes, it did actually. For hateful conduct.

I don't normally report stuff. I'm a big believer in letting it stand & be challenged.

The attempt to convene an attack on Tinsel's group, however, was nasty enough that I did hit the report button, & rather to my surprise, even Twitter agreed that it was 'hateful conduct'.