Lesbian Visibility Week

[Shizuku]

Shout out to my fellow lesbians on this important week!

I will be wearing my lesbian pride badge right next to my trans pride badge for the whole week in all public spaces.

Yep, that's right, he asked for all these screenshots, and then ignored them all.

Colour me shocked.

We do also recognise that for a lot of trans-friendly voices, 'cis' is a crucial piece of language, so that's the context in which we consider reports about this term...In this context, we don't feel this post is in breach of our guidelines.

'Trans identified male' is a crucial piece of language for many feminist-friendly voices. Is it ok to use this term if we use it in a non-threatening/insulting way?

It looks likely that 'the cotton ceiling' will be making it's debut to the wider public once Allison Bailey's case begins, being as it's one of the reasons she wanted to set up LGBA and was specifically mentioned on her crowdfunder.

Allison has been vilified because she knows what a lesbian is, so it's possible that the legal definition of lesbian/homosexuality will come up too, because one side of the case has one definition (the actual, legal one) and the other side has their own version, causing a clash.

Can't wait for all that sunlight that will bring. Shame we have to wait a year for it though.

Too late, alias, I've already tried checked that a few posts above

Feminists aren't allowed to have crucial language, seeing as they're not such delicate flowers.

It looks likely that 'the cotton ceiling' will be making it's debut to the wider public once Allison Bailey's case begins, being as it's one of the reasons she wanted to set up LGBA and was specifically mentioned on her crowdfunder.

Yes and was discussed in the preliminary hearing, and she saw off an attempt to dismiss it.

[quote blackwhiteandstripey]@Shizuku

That's OK - I was born female.

Just trying to get my head around this thread. You've previously said you are a transwoman (unless I'm mistaken) but here you're saying you were born female.

Do you mean you're actually (I don't personally like the term but for clarity, and to use the terms you might yourself use) a cis woman?

I'm not understanding how you can be born female but be a transwoman. [/quote]
blackwhiteandstripey

I am interested in hearing this too. Every time OP tries to explain it across numerous threads now, the explanation tends to point to the degree of destabilisation of the definitions of language that has occurred.

There are people who deny that this destabilisation is harmful, however, I find that they tend to be invested in the benefits reaped from the destabilisation which frankly, diminishes their credibility about the 'harmlessness' of it. Whether it is about their own identity, a family member, or their job also depends on it somehow.

A great reminder to look at just who benefits from this destabilisation is to look at the French intellectual who has been attributed at least progressing it.

@NecessaryScene1

Too late, alias, I've already tried checked that a few posts above

Feminists aren't allowed to have crucial language, seeing as they're not such delicate flowers.

In the words of the famous artist Birdy Rose, I am a delicate phucking flower!

And I may buy the t-shirt to prove it!

thefamousartistbirdyrose.com/collections/clothing/products/delicate-flower-1

@DisgustedofManchester

Its interesting the level of personal abuse and rudeness allowed in this forum against posters who support trans rights and lesbian women. Takes me back to junior school.

Oh give over

Have you anything to say about all the homophobia and abuse directed at leabians, of which a number of us have provided evidence?

Also would you like to answer me this?

Can lesbian sex involve penises? Your thoughts?

Necessaryscene1

Ah, I wondered why you'd been deleted - I should have worked it out really.

So there's another difference between women and transwomen: transwomen are allowed to say whatever they want even if women dislike it, whilst women must use trans-approved language.

So there's another difference between women and transwomen: transwomen are allowed to say whatever they want even if women dislike it, whilst women must use trans-approved language.

Transwomen who stand with women get censured too, when criticising TRAs or their ridiculous statements. I've been deleted a couple of times today and have been deleted in the past for saying contraversial things stating facts.

‘Transgender lesbians’
So that’s transmen who are sexually attracted to females then. Sorted!

If we bow down and accept a lie, that is wrong .
When did stating a truth become something that is to be vilified, I can not become a bird no matter how I alter my body, I also can not become a man.
To say TWAW is not true. It maybe a wish on someone's part, a need or a want but it can never be

I'm also waiting for @Shizuku to answer/reply with

(a) The definition of a lesbian - knowing that women are adult human females.
(b) If lesbian sex can involve penises (the real kind so as not to elicit a 'smart' retort)
(c) If a biological male can be a lesbian

I think I might be waiting a long time though.

It's impossible to interpret from one language to another when, as you say, the language has been artificially meddled with and destabilised in order to push an agenda.

Quite.

Which is one of the major issues with changing the language harming people for who English is their second language.

We shall wait to see what answer you get.

@HamsterV2

I'm also waiting for *@Shizuku* to answer/reply with

(a) The definition of a lesbian - knowing that women are adult human females.
(b) If lesbian sex can involve penises (the real kind so as not to elicit a 'smart' retort)
(c) If a biological male can be a lesbian

I think I might be waiting a long time though.

You know she doesn't owe you an answer on who she is as a transgender lesbian? Right?

This is an excellent read in Lesbiand and Gay News. It made me think of this thread for some reason ..
lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/04/gary-powell-how-the-new-anti-lgb-fundamentalism-of-gender-extremism-mirrors-the-homophobia-of-the-1980s/

People can be who they want in their own world, in their own mind, and on their own terms......it is convincing the rest of the world that is the issue. Social relationships requite negotiation and shared meanings in order to work.

refers to previous post about a white horse with an ice cream cone on its head

I think "a lesbian is anyone who identifies as a lesbian". Which of course makes the term untranslatable, because there won't be anyone who identifies as a "lesbian" in another language.

There's no way of translating a circular-reference identity.

@Justhadathought

People can be who they want in their own world, in their own mind, and on their own terms......it is convincing the rest of the world that is the issue. Social relationships requite negotiation and shared meanings in order to work.

Exactly. Which is why no one has to agree with your own world and mind either.

Well, if Hamster as a trans person cannot ask questions, who can?

@DisgustedofManchester

Its interesting the level of personal abuse and rudeness allowed in this forum against posters who support trans rights and lesbian women. Takes me back to junior school.

I agree. The homophobia directed towards lesbians is shocking. I mean, who in their right mind would ever have thought that a lesbian, ie a female born person sexually attracted to other female born persons, would expect to also be sexually attracted to male born people? Then they’d be heterosexual wouldn’t they. That’s either coercive control or conversion therapy. Either way, it’s homophobic.