Pronouns on BBC?

[thenonsensepotter]

Watching Glow Up on iplayer and every time they show a contestants name on the screen their pronoun is included in brackets. I don't watch a lot of current TV, is this a proper "thing" now or just this one program?

But what you don't seem to understand is that young adults and teenagers have rights to confidential support and help (with strict measures taken if there is a safeguardung concern). That's it.

Please be specific. Which 'teenagers'?

Do you understand that you are on a forum for parents and that the information you give needs to be clear? Otherwise, it is misleading. By all means, do what we do and refer to Government documents to make sure your message is absolutely clear.

If you follow the logic of "transwomen are women" then you are also saying that human males are women.

Do you understand that you are on a forum for parents and that the information you give needs to be clear?

I say this, because you keep bringing up your expertise as a sexual health educator.

When you position yourself in this way on a forum, you need to be incredibly careful of how you communicate around the issues you say you are expert in.

I have to say, I have a real concern is that ASugarr hasn’t actually completed any safeguarding children training at all, despite have claimed elsewhere that she has. All staff who work with children and young people have to renew their safeguarding training every two years, to keep abreast of any updates in the legislation.

I delivered safeguarding training to staff and governors regularly in my role as a DSL - if someone was unable to answer the sort of simple questions that are being posted here, it would make me think that they hadn’t understood something in the training.

Or hadn’t attended any training at all.

When you position yourself in this way on a forum, you need to be incredibly careful of how you communicate around the issues you say you are expert in.

Helleofabore you'll find an experienced teaching professional made exactly the same point to this poster yesterday.

Did they R0? Ah well.

I am sure it has been well covered.

Lordamighty

"I’ll miss their radio programmes but it is time for the license fee to go."

You'll be OK, you don't need a licence to listen to the radio.

www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ102

I am sure it has been well covered.

A number of times. However, as demonstrated yet again, there is a failure/inability to take on board the key issues.

Do education sessions like the ones supposedly given by the oh so knowledgeable poster require parental consent? Can you withdraw your child from them if you wish to? I am not happy for my child to be given such a biased view of these subjects.

Could I perhaps state that due to religious reasons (a protected characteristic) my child will not be learning about transgenderism at school?

@Alltheprettyseahorses

This is all a very white middle-class dominance display isn't it? Like, 'I'm SO important you must read and obey my pronoun demands and my appropriation of your oppression and centre me in everything you say, think and do, I am so incredibly important.' And like that actor Cummings as a white man making the bizarre leap of illogic claiming it's racism for women of all colours to act as anything but support units.

I recently heard of the phrase 'luxury beliefs' and when I looked into it, I found this quite interesting article quillette.com/2019/11/16/thorstein-veblens-theory-of-the-leisure-class-a-status-update/. It's very much based around American society but there are some interesting parallels with the UK.

What it boils down to is that middle class people can afford to hold luxury beliefs because it won't affect them or they can afford to mitigate any negative outcomes. For example, people being dismissive of the rights of women in prison as they themselves are very unlikely to be in that position or having strong views on how 'empowering' sex work is while not appreciating that for some women, it's not a choice, it's the only way they can put food on the table.

Many posters have mentioned the overtaking of the Deptford project by middle class privileged university students who then policed working class women's lived experience and language while not understanding or caring about the barriers that such women faced. Pronouns was a big part of the agenda pushed in that example.

[quote andyoldlabour]Lordamighty

"I’ll miss their radio programmes but it is time for the license fee to go."

You'll be OK, you don't need a licence to listen to the radio.

www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ102[/quote]
I think the point is more that they need money to make those programs, and they - at least, serious talk radio and news - is not necessarily amenable to commercialisation.

I find the term cisgender very offensive

I am misgendered whenever people include me in the category of cisgender but apparently it is transphobic to feel misgendered in this way.

Funny how the rules, logic and "be kind" message only apply one way and not the other.

@bodynegative it was said upthread that male and female are the "permitted" words for one's sex (according to the NHS language guide) so a transwoman is a woman but is male not female. A transman is a man but is female. So a transwoman is a male woman and a transman is a female man.

Apparently.

Do education sessions like the ones supposedly given by the oh so knowledgeable poster require parental consent? Can you withdraw your child from them if you wish to? I am not happy for my child to be given such a biased view of these subjects.

Schools are required by Department of Education to make details of resources and external organisations used in RSE teacing available to parents/carers.

Schools are also required to thoroughly scrutinise external organisations as they are responsible for anything within the school.

Transgender Trend and Safe Schools Alliance have resources for parents/ carers to support them in seeking clarity and reassurance from their child/ren's school.

Transgender Trend:
(extract)
"The new Department for Education guidance on the teaching of Relationships and Sex Education re-establishes common-sense and evidence-based reality in schools. Although the new guidelines are for the RSE and PSHE curriculum, schools will want to ensure their policies outside this specific curriculum area are not in breach of the new guidance."
www.transgendertrend.com/department-for-education-rse-guidance-schools/

Department of Education: www.gov.uk/guidance/plan-your-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum#using-external-agencies

Safe Schools Alliance: safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

@Mewmin

I am misgendered whenever people include me in the category of cisgender but apparently it is transphobic to feel misgendered in this way.

Funny how the rules, logic and "be kind" message only apply one way and not the other.

It's cool if you don't want to be identified as cisgender and just be identified as a woman. Many transgender people don't identify as transgender either. They are just men and women.

Indeed, all adult human beings are either women or men depending on whether they are female or male sex.

@R0wantrees

Indeed, all adult human beings are either women or men depending on whether they are female or male sex.

Doesn't have to depend on their biological sex.

@Brownteddybear

Message deleted by MNHQ. Quotes deleted post

FFS why was my post deleted within 15 minutes. Genuine question. Quoted part of another one and that's gone now too.

Are we not allowed to politely discuss this?

Many transgender people don't identify as transgender either. They are just men and women

It makes not the tiniest difference to material reality whether they identify as transgender. Or indeed, what they identify as.

Other humans become adept at identifying which sex class people belong to for themselves at a very early age. Hence (to bring it back to the thread subject) the arrant nonsense of pronoun declaration.

They are just men and women
Indeed ...although not in the way that you mean, it being impossible to change sex.
A pity it's not possible to barter pronouns for acknowledgement that TWATW etc...