Pronouns on BBC?

[thenonsensepotter]

Watching Glow Up on iplayer and every time they show a contestants name on the screen their pronoun is included in brackets. I don't watch a lot of current TV, is this a proper "thing" now or just this one program?

@Helleofabore

Firstly, you asked how I would deal with the situation and I said they would be passed on to a gender specialist if we were concerned they may have gender identity issues. They would go through questionares, counseling, all sorts.

I’m sorry. ‘You’ would pass a child onto a ‘gender specialist’ if you decided a child might have gender identity issues?

You? You would make that decision? You would refer a child to a gender specialist?

What authority do you have to do this?
What gender specialist would that be? In your organization that you work for?

What specifically gives you the right to be making life changing actions such as this without the parents being involved? And you go into schools and can do this with children you come across?

Please tell me that I have misinterpreted what you have just said incorrectly.

And if I have, please be very explicit in what you meant.

Hi, I won't be giving personal information in this or answering your questions as they are far too personal. Think I'll leave myself out of this thread from here as clearly people have different views. Bye

The point of discussion is different views.

So, you are saying that you, an external resource from outside a school can enter a school, teach a class and if a child comes to you, you have some type of authority to refer a child to a gender specialist?

And you will not even comment on whether that child's parents will be involved or even notified?

Because I am now going to start doing research into whether this is indeed something that is allowed.

@Mewmin

The point of discussion is different views.

Yeah but it's clear my words have no effect so I'm gonna leave it. Plus I don't want to be asked personal questions.

Understanding Safeguarding and Child Protection principles and responsibilities is not a matter of 'different viewpoints'.

Hi, I won't be giving personal information in this or answering your questions as they are far too personal. Think I'll leave myself out of this thread from here as clearly people have different views. Bye

Safeguarding children legislation should be crystal clear to anyone claiming they work with children. It’s not about having a different view and it worries me greatly that you think it is.

"Hi. I'm a authority on this subject. I will tell you all you are wrong. But don't ask me why or how or for any clarification. Because that's personal."

Ffs.

@R0wantrees

Understanding Safeguarding and Child Protection principles and responsibilities is not a matter of 'different viewpoints'.

Agreed but nothing objects to that.

This is not a personal question Sugar

Are you saying that you have been told by the people you work for, an external resource from outside a school can enter a school, teach a class and if a child comes to you, you have some type of authority to refer a child to a gender specialist?

And you will not even comment on whether that child's parents will be involved or even notified?

I have asked you if I have misinterpreted your post. Have I? Or is this your understanding of your role?

It's not really the point of this thread, so appreciate I'm going off on a topic.

It just seems to me that we can broadly explain to a child how to recognise biological sex, how to recognise behaviours typically associated with 'masculinity' or 'femininity' (even if we are able to criticise them) or sexuality. Okay, maybe explaining sexuality to a 5-year-old is tricky, and probably unnecessary, but you can do so with a 12-year-old.

We have the words, the examples, the descriptors at our disposal to explain what the common denominators are in each area.

But explaining gender identity seems to stump even those who advocate for it most loudly. Some people have described gender dysphoria, but since gender dysphoria is not a prerequisite for a trans identity, that doesn't really help.

Sorry - I appreciate we are a long way from talkshow pronouns.

I think both are symptomatic of a society that has adopted certain expressions ('assigned at birth', 'gender identity') and behaviours ('I go by she, her, hers') without stopping to think about what all this means, and where it may lead.

@R0wantrees

Understanding Safeguarding and Child Protection principles and responsibilities is not a matter of 'different viewpoints'.

All safeguarding and child protection procedures are taken in these situations.

I’m also very concerned that you think when people ask about your workplace policies, which in the public sector you claim to work in should be open to public scrutiny, you interpret that as being “personal questions”.

It’s especially odd as you comprehensively derailed a previous thread by posting very personal information about your family history that no-one on the thread asked you to provide.

ASugar You consistently demonstrate a failure to understand/apply Safeguarding principles whilst also disclosing that you are working with children and potentially diagnosisng them as having 'gender identity issues' and/or referring them to GIDS services.

Unsurprisingly given this is a parenting website, people would like reassurance that this would not be done without parents/carers' knowledge.

I'm sorry.

Can one of the safeguarding experts who are also involved in schools clarify whether this is something that can be done please?

Have we got a poster who is spreading very dangerous misinformation about the power these organisations have?

@Helleofabore

I'm sorry.

Can one of the safeguarding experts who are also involved in schools clarify whether this is something that can be done please?

Have we got a poster who is spreading very dangerous misinformation about the power these organisations have?

There's nothing dangerous with any of this work. It is all covered under safeguarding laws and rules. The child protection laws and young people's rights.

@Helleofabore

I'm sorry.

Can one of the safeguarding experts who are also involved in schools clarify whether this is something that can be done please?

Have we got a poster who is spreading very dangerous misinformation about the power these organisations have?

I was a DSL in a primary school for ten years before I retired last summer.

I can categorically state that under no circumstances would a referral as described by ASugarr be permitted without parental consent.

However, I can’t speak for secondary schools, where Fraser competence, not to mention the worrying trend in encouraging young people to distance themselves from anyone who isn’t competently affirming, could possibly result in a referral being made without reference to the parents. I expect a DSL in a secondary school could tell you more.

Please could we refrain from what could be construed as personal attacks or intrusive questions as I would like this thread to stand and not be pulled as I think some very important and interesting things have been discussed here and we don't want the thread deleted.

Thanks Warmduscher. That is at least reassuring from a primary perspective.

That is understandable. I don't work with primary age so thank you for clarifying.

Helleofabore Schools, youth services etc can indeed refer directly to gender identity services. This was part of NHS GIDS service specification.
www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/gender-development-service-children-adolescents.pdf

The manner in which which schools, youth services etc have involved parents/carers with such decisions is variable and contested.

Unfortunately there are adults working in education, social care, youth work etc who do not have a clear understanding or ability to apply Safeguarding and Child Protection principles.

Schools and youth services have also been consistently misadvised by lobbygroups.

There's nothing dangerous with any of this work. It is all covered under safeguarding laws and rules. The child protection laws and young people's rights.

There is something very dangerous when misinformation is spread on a parenting forum. I will disagree with your interpretation of 'dangerous' here. And an interpretation of safeguarding that would allow for such referrals to be done by an external resource to a school. That an educator would refer a child to a service based on what? a question in class?

@R0wantrees

Helleofabore Schools, youth services etc can indeed refer directly to gender identity services. This was part of NHS GIDS service specification. www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/gender-development-service-children-adolescents.pdf

The manner in which which schools, youth services etc have involved parents/carers with such decisions is variable and contested.

Unfortunately there are adults working in education, social care, youth work etc who do not have a clear understanding or ability to apply Safeguarding and Child Protection principles.

Schools and youth services have also been consistently misadvised by lobbygroups.

Thank you R0wantrees.

I will now be ever more vigilant in being even more involved with my teen's school and how they conduct these types of lessons. Luckily, I have been assured that they don't use outsourced people and are very open about the toolkits that they use.

I have a slightly off-topic question. Most secondary schools where I live are single sex. If a girl were to transition would they have to leave their girls' school? And vice versa? My children are still primary age but I've not noticed any girls presenting as boys at the local girls school or any boys presenting as girls at the boys school. If there is such a big rise in transgenderism at secondary what is happening in girls/boys' schools?

@NotBadConsidering

As a person of mixed heritage (Yorkshire/Lancashire) I could object to the appropriation of my culture.

Keep Lancastrian spaces for Lancastrians. No Yorkshire people in Lancastrian spaces, sorry. 🌹 🌹

No Yorkshire person would want to mingle with Lancastrians anyway

I'll think I'll start a new thread on my single sex school question.