Pronouns on BBC?

[thenonsensepotter]

Watching Glow Up on iplayer and every time they show a contestants name on the screen their pronoun is included in brackets. I don't watch a lot of current TV, is this a proper "thing" now or just this one program?

[quote IamSparcatus]For those that are new to the thread, here is the cat again.

twitter.com/oldroberts953/status/1384813354754187264?s=21[/quote]
Brilliant.

I’m with the cat🐱
I’ll miss their radio programmes but it is time for the license fee to go.

From that Pip Bunce Web page ...which aims to encourage an inclusive work culture where all are encouraged to bring their whole self to work...

This is obviously where I went wrong at work. I regularly didn't take my whole self to work. Sometimes I left my brain an arm or leg at home.

So no one has answered my question yet if its OK to call a transwoman a male woman?

@Mewmin

So no one has answered my question yet if its OK to call a transwoman a male woman?

Not really. Just call them a woman.

I suspect work doesn’t want my ‘whole self’. They’ve only seen the real pissy/angry/short tempered (and without makeup) me about twice in 5 years - I don’t think they want that on a daily basis.

@Mewmin

So no one has answered my question yet if its OK to call a transwoman a male woman?

Surely a ‘male woman’ is a woman who likes stereotyped ‘male’ stuff. Like calling a woman ‘handsome’ when she looks a bit ‘masculine’.

Not really. Just call them a woman.

That doesn't make any sense. If woman is a "gender term" and male is a sex term. Why should it be a problem to acknowledge sex? It's sometimes important.

This reminds me of the traveller community and the influx of the new age travellers. We have always had traveller communities and there is a camp near where I live. Each year we also get travellers moving up country and camping on public land
When the new age lot jumped on the bandwagon it was chaos. I knew people who joined in. Wealthy, middle class enjoying an alternative life whilst risking nothing as backed up by family money. They demanded the same rights as the traveller community but didn't respect land. They camped on farm land, had festivals anywhere and left mess
We have always had transsexuals who, I hope, have been accepted. Now we have a bunch of middle class students or already privileged people making demands on services, demanding society changes to accommodate them and harming children caught up in the ideology
It will go away eventually like the new age travellers largely have but the harm caused will be worse than broken fences

Ralph Lucas is a Conservative back bencher in The House of Lords.
May 5th 2020 he published clarification he had received from the government of the definition used for man and woman. This is based in Equality Act 2010
twitter.com/LordLucasCD/status/1257642470692868097

Lord Lucas wrote,

"Definitions. The government has helpfully pointed out the definitions that they use

"Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'

"Woman": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A female of any age'"

As "Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'" therefore surely a male of any age may thus, and should for clarity, be described as a man and likewise for human beings who are female?

I don't work with five year olds and even if I did, we'd probably have a counseling session or two to document everything they discuss and pass it on to wherever is appropriate.

These “counselling sessions” you speak about - are they conducted by someone with the appropriate core competencies in working with this age group? Or is that something else that’s a state secret?

We have always had transsexuals who, I hope, have been accepted. Now we have a bunch of middle class students or already privileged people making demands on services, demanding society changes to accommodate them and harming children caught up in the ideology

The demands which are seen impacting society and children now go back a long way. Most of those demands came from middle class privileged men also described as transsexuals:

AngryAttackKittens wrote 03-Jan-19 :
"I'm going to point every "but the nice, harmless old school transsexuals whose movement has been unfairly appropriated by the nasty transgender people" person to this thread from now on.

All the same elements we're seeing now were there in that old BBC roundtable from the 70s with the 4 transwomen, the politician, and the doctor. None of this is new."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

@EdgeOfACoin

As for the 4000% increase in teen girls coming out as transboys since 2012(ish), this is well documented. The number of girls identifying as trans is now significantly greater than young boys, who had previously made up the bulk of young transitioners.

The judges even enquired about it in the Keira Bell case as the numbers were so unexpected. The judges were 'surprised' to learn that the Tavistock had not investigated this at all.

I am surprised that anyone so involved in the transgender community would not be aware of this significant increase in teen girls - particularly those who have been diagnosed with autism - coming out as transboys.

Exactly, we are lectured daily by the knowledgeable one and yet ASugarr has no clue about what is actually happening.

Not really. Just call them a woman.

A word with a modern definition so elastic as to be meaningless.

Male woman sounds fine according to the nhs? It’s a much more useful statement medically than just woman. But I’d be surprised if transwomen don’t prefer transwoman to male woman.

Now we have a bunch of middle class students or already privileged people making demands on services, demanding society changes to accommodate them and harming children caught up in the ideology
It will go away eventually like the new age travellers largely have but the harm caused will be worse than broken fences

This. Women's rights are being smashed up by a bunch of shouty young people for whom it's this generations rebellion without the faintest idea of the damage they're doing. They do seem to genuinely believe women are 'privileged' for having things like maternity rights because men dont have them.

I also note that coming out as 'queer' seems to be the new career move du jour. Emma Corrin who played Diana in the Crown was trending on twitter a few days ago for coming out as queer. So easy to appropriate the LGBTQ+ alphabet. and should she be employed on any show, that show will be able to tick off the diversity box now and of course no one may question what makes someone queer, that is bigoted.

The idea that adding pronouns clarifies anything doesn't make sense to me. In the same way that introducing myself with my age or anything else wouldn't make sense. It sounds like a 1970's beauty pagent contestant "Hi, my name's BuffysBigSister, I'm 26, my pronouns are she/her and my measurements are 36, 26, 36.

I also note that coming out as 'queer' seems to be the new career move du jour. Emma Corrin who played Diana in the Crown was trending on twitter a few days ago for coming out as queer.

Can we go back to usage of the word "queer" to mean "odd" or even "weirdo"?

Works for me.

@EdgeOfACoin

Not really. Just call them a woman.

A word with a modern definition so elastic as to be meaningless.

Much like the word “transphobic”, then?

Can we go back to usage of the word "queer" to mean "odd" or even "weirdo"?

"Nowt so queer as folk." As a person of mixed heritage (Yorkshire/Lancashire) I could object to the appropriation of my culture.

The idea that adding pronouns clarifies anything doesn't make sense to me.

It will burn itself out as it becomes impossible to keep track of which pronouns people are currently listing. Are people expected to stop mid-sentence to double check whether a man is still she/her or is now xe/xem, ve/ver or fae/faer/they/them?

Of course for those determined to 'smash the binary' distinctions between women and men, girls and boys that some may give up using any other third person singular pronoun save 'they'. This may well be the intended result but I doubt it will be widespread.

Just wanted to add that being transgender isn't just about being a transgender man or woman. It also includes non binary, agender, etc. So all those young people wouldn't all be coming out as transmen.

I think you really need to do some more research on this topic you are so heavily invested in ASugarr. You will find you are incorrect again if this is your answer to the 4000% increase described in the post you answered.

I would have thought anyone in the role you say you have would have this information and know what those statistics related to.

It's true that the traditional transsexuals were not all benign
Years ago I worked in acute mental health and we had a fair %of transsexuals. Most had had very hard lives and, due to the service, we saw the most troubled
Cross dressing was highly prevalent amongst our other service users.

Firstly, you asked how I would deal with the situation and I said they would be passed on to a gender specialist if we were concerned they may have gender identity issues. They would go through questionares, counseling, all sorts.

I’m sorry. ‘You’ would pass a child onto a ‘gender specialist’ if you decided a child might have gender identity issues?

You? You would make that decision? You would refer a child to a gender specialist?

What authority do you have to do this?
What gender specialist would that be? In your organization that you work for?

What specifically gives you the right to be making life changing actions such as this without the parents being involved? And you go into schools and can do this with children you come across?

Please tell me that I have misinterpreted what you have just said incorrectly.

And if I have, please be very explicit in what you meant.

As a person of mixed heritage (Yorkshire/Lancashire) I could object to the appropriation of my culture.

Keep Lancastrian spaces for Lancastrians. No Yorkshire people in Lancastrian spaces, sorry. 🌹 🌹